I found a Wikipedia article on Native American stickball:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stickball_%28Native_American%29
I'm not exactly sure what the difference is between stickball and shinny. (There is also a Wikipedia article on shinny but it describes it as coming from Scotland.) According to the Wikipedia article, stickball is still played on the Choctaw res in Mississippi. There is also a Catlin painting of a Choctaw stickball game from the 1830s. One of the Biloxi texts talks about a ball game, but there are no details of how it was played. But seeing as how there is a text mentioning a ballgame (and the text just happens to be about how the sun got up in the sky!) I suspect that the game is VERY ancient.
Thanks.
Dave
Kathleen Shea <kdshea at ku.edu> wrote:
The Poncas in Oklahoma play shinny on four Sundays in April, an old tradition. It's kind of like field hockey, with curved sticks and two teams with goals at opposite ends of the field. The ball is special and kept by the Martin Blueback family, the head of which officiates at the games. Most of the players (all men, but of all ages) make their own sticks. There are rules, but it can be a very rough game. Uncle Parrish (my consultant) told me that at one time (within his memory) the Gives Water family held a shinny game every year that could be very rough, with the brothers-in-law playing against the sisters-in-law, but that's the only instance I've heard of women playing.
Kathy
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From: Rankin, Robert L
To: siouan at lists.colorado.edu
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: Biloxi ball game
Mrs. Rowe talked about the Kaws playing "shinny". I think Justin mentioned that the Kaws and Osages had recently competed. Maybe he can fill you in.
Bob
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From: owner-siouan at lists.colorado.edu on behalf of David Kaufman
Sent: Sun 1/14/2007 3:05 PM
To: Siouan List
Subject: Biloxi ball game
Hi all, and Happy New Year.
Since there are terms in the Biloxi dictionary for a ball and ball club, I'm wondering if they played the Choctaw/Cherokee game Stickball, apparently the precursor of La Crosse. I'm basing this on cultural contact, such as the Biloxi borrowing the idea of the blowgun from the Choctaw. Or, was there some type of ball game played among other Siouan tribes?
The Maya, of course, had their own type of ball game, which apparently usually ended in the sacrificing (beheading) of one or the other team. I haven't acquainted myself with all its rules although they apparently couldn't use their arms or legs in touching the ball and they apparently had some type of hoop they could put the ball through for extra points (a la basketball). I don't think the Mayan ball game had a North American counterpart though, or did it?
Any thoughts?
Dave
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