Comparative Siouan Grammar project

Wed Jun 18 11:24:23 UTC 2008

Dear Siouanists,

taking up Bob's, Mark's and Cathrine's responses to my mail I would like to 
propose the following with regard to our Comparative Siouan Grammar 
(CSG) project. If this can be agreed upon among the participants of the 
conference in Joplin, I would like to volunteer for the organization of the 
workshop on CSG in Lincoln,NE next year. 

Cathrine suggested to spend a full day on the workshop. I think, this might 
be very short. In Billings, we had presentation/ papers filling at least two full 
days, although the time slots were quite generous, something like 90 
minutes per presentation. We can of course shorten that a bit. I attach the 
program of the CSG Workshop in Billings as a pdf to this mail. 

In Billings, we had a planning session led by Linda Cumberland and John 
Boyle. On the huge blackboard there we outlined and summarized the 
topics to be included in the projected three volume opus of a CSG. 

According to my notes and recollections, Vol. III contains sketches of the 
individual Siouan languages following perhaps a common scheme (which 
does not exist yet, of course)

Vol. I contains investigations to the following topics. I will mention also the 
names as far as I can remember (I may be wrong, though).

Obliques/ Postpositions (Regina Pustet)
Applicatives (including the benefactive applicative) (Johannes Helmbrecht) 
Determiners (?)
Nominal Possession (?)
t-words (Bruce Ingham?)
Prefixes (morphological positions, etc.) (Bob Rankin)
Suffixes/ Enclitics  (Bob Rankin)
Relative Clauses (?)
Switch references and clase chaining (John Boyle)
Pronominals and the stative/active split (Bob Rankin)
Deictic motion verbs (Linda Cumberland)

Vol II contains the following topics:

Plural marking
Compounding
Noun incorporation
Causatives (Helmbrecht)
External Possession
Coordination
Subordination
Instrumentals
Absolutive (wa-)
TAM
Negation
Serial verbs (David Rood ?)

That's what I have in my notes perhaps John or Linda have more in their 
files. 

The topics of the two volumes as given above are unordered and rather a 
list of key words than a systematically developed structure of such a 
project. But it was the point where we stopped further planning. It might 
serve as the starting point for pushing the whole thing further. 

As I indicated in my last mail, it would be of some importance for me if I 
knew the precise date of the next conference in Lincoln. So, perhaps, this 
could be decided on in Joplin in the coming days.

I wish everyone a wonderful and exciting conference in Joplin,

Best
Johannes

Datum:   	Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:38:13 -0500
Antwort an:     	siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
Von:            	"Catherine Rudin" <carudin1 at wsc.edu>
An:             	<siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU>
Betreff:        	RE: Comparative Siouan Grammar project

> I agree with Bob; it all sounds good.  Language instructors' session
> is a good idea, and we should DEFINITELY get the momentum back for 
the
> comparative Siouan grammar project.   These two ideas don't conflict -
> we can do both and still have time for some regular papers at the 2009
> meeting.  
> 
> I think we should devote a whole day to comparative grammar, and we
> should get organized well in advance.  I wasn't able to get to
> Billings, and I've forgotten which topic I said I would look at (am I
> the only sieve-brain?) but I do think this is important!!! If Johannes
> is willing to be the organizer that would be great.  Is there someone
> who will be in Joplin who could bring the list of topics/chapters that
> was compiled before?  (And/or could someone circulate it
> electronically?)  I suspect I'm not the only one who could use a
> reminder.
> 
> I believe that Mark has not only offered, but we collectively have
> accepted Lincoln as the 2009 site.  The date I have noted is "June 5-7
> or 12-14".  Should we make a decision?
> 
> Let's include a quick "business meeting" in the Joplin schedule, with
> confirming at least next year's plans as item #1 on the agenda. 
> Tentative 2010 plans could be discussed too - Chicago or wherever.  
> 
> Apologies if any of you get two near-identical messages from me.  I
> tried to reply earlier to Mark's note, but it seems to have gone only
> to him, not to the list -- at least I hope that's what happened to it!
> 
> Catherine
> 
> >>> "Rankin, Robert L" <rankin at ku.edu> 06/17/08 12:53 PM >>>
> This all sounds really great to me.  Perhaps Johannes would like to be
> the organizer of the comparative sessions (which might, in turn,
> provide an even stronger rationale for his getting travel funds), and
> Mark could organize the language instructors' sessions.  Hopefully we
> could schedule them so that we could all attend both.
>  
> Bob
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU on behalf of Mark J
> Awakuni-Swetland
> Sent: Tue 6/17/2008 9:06 AM
> To: siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Cc: owner-siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU; siouan at lists.Colorado.EDU
> Subject: Re: Comparative Siouan Grammar project
> 
> 
> 
> Aloha Johannes, 
> Many thanks for your suggestions about future SACC agendas. 
> I have offered to host the 2009 gathering here in Lincoln, Nebraska
> (the center of it all...or the most distant from anywhere else sort of
> place). 
> 
> The Dhegihanists have met here back in 2000 or so. 
> 
> I will be polling folks at Joplin about their interests regarding the
> agenda for 2009. 
> 
> If there is sufficient interest in organizing a session or three on
> the Comparative Siouan Grammar, Lincoln would be a good time to
> formalize it and push it forward a bit. 
> 
> There may be interest in organizing a session geared towards language
> instructors from on- and off-rez institutions. I would suspect that
> the Tribal Colleges in NE, SD, and OK might find this useful. Omaha
> Nation Public School (K-12), Walthill Public School, and Winnebago
> Public School could find some value in this as well. 
> 
> Let's put on our thinking caps as we head to Joplin. 
> 
> iNcHoNxti woNgithe widoNbe ttamiNkHe. 
> Uthixide 
> 
> Mark Awakuni-Swetland
> Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> and Native American Studies
> University of Nebraska
> Lincoln, NE 68588-0368
> 
> http://omahalanguage.unl.edu
> Phone 402-472-3455
> FAX: 402-472-9642
> 
> "Ttenixa uxpathe egoN" a biama, winisi akHa. 
> 
> 
> 
> "Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht"
> <johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regensburg.de> 
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> Dear Siouanists,
> 
> I regret very much that I won't be able to attend this year's SCLC in
> Joplin,MO in particular because 
> the program seems to be so interesting. Since I won't be personally
> there, I would like to make 
> some suggestions from the other end of the world for the future
> conferences, which may be 
> discussed during the conference in Joplin.
> 
> One of the exciting projeGrammar. 
> Papers dealing with various aspects of Siouan grammar in a typological
> and historical comparative 
> perspective were presented there. We also compiled a list with
> additional topics filling all in all at 
> least two volumes. Unfortunately, this project came to a halt
> afterwards and I would like to give it a 
> new push. So, my suggestion would be to plan on a follow up workshop
> on Siouan Comparative 
> Grammar for the next year's conference, if this goal is still
> considered worthy among the participants 
> to invest time and research. Could you discuss this question during
> the coming days? 
> 
> For me personally, this implies that I will revise and expand my paper
> on applicatives in Siouan. In 
> addition, I volunteered for the causative constructions (if I recall
> that correctly), so I will start to work 
> on a draft version on this topic that will be presented at the
> conference next year.
> 
> Another important point for me is: I will be able to come next only,
> if I can get funding for an 
> overseas trip. This is not too difficult to obtain in particular for
> such a fascinating project, but I need 
> the conference details some months in advance in order to be able to
> apply for money. Therefore, I 
> would like to ask you to fix a date and location for the next and if
> possible for the conference in two 
> years so that people from abroad have a chance to get the necessary
> funding. John Boyle 
> mentioned to me that he is going to organize a conference in Chicago
> in 2010?
> 
> Anyway, I think the meeting in Joplin could provide a good opportunity
> to talk about the state of the 
> art with regard to the comparative Siouan Grammar project and to plan
> on the next steps. 
> Personally, I would like to participate in the planning, the
> organization, and the research as much as 
> I can so that this project will come to a succesful end.
> 
> So, I wish all of you a wonderful and interesting meeting in Joplin,
> 
> Best,
> Johannes
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
> Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
> Universität Regensburg
> Philosophische Fakultät IV 
> Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
> Universitätsstr. 31
> 93053 Regensburg
> Deutschland
> 
> Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
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> E-Mail:    johannes.helmbrecht at sprachlit.uni-regenburg.de
> Webseite: http://www-avs.uni-regensburg.de/index.htm
> 
> 
> 

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Prof. Dr. Johannes Helmbrecht
Lehrstuhl für Allgemeine und Vergleichende Sprachwissenschaft
Universität Regensburg
Philosophische Fakultät IV 
Sprach- und Literaturwissenschaft
Universitätsstr. 31
93053 Regensburg
Deutschland

Tel: ++49(0)941 943-3388
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Fax: ++49(0)941 943-2429
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