JOD cognate abbreviations inquiry

[Rankin, Robert L]

Rory's right.  In various publications Dorsey refers to the Winnebago as "Hotcangara".  The -ra is an article and the stem-final -a reappears when you add a suffix or enclitic.  I don't remember whether he also uses "Winnebago" and all my Dorsey papers are out in the garage and it's too cold to go digging for them.  Dorsey also uses H. for "Hale (,Horatio)" in his Tutelo stuff along with Hw. "Hewitt, JNB" and others.  Places where JOD fills in words beside his W. and H. abbreviations will tell the tale.

And if you've ever tasted the water in eastern Wisconsin you know why it got its unflattering name.  It's permeated with iron sulfide.  My wife grew up in Waukesha, so I've had plenty of chances to buy bottled water there.

Bob

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He would probably have known it from within Siouan, where it is certainly 
old.  Fletcher and LaFlesche, "The Omaha Tribe", Vol. 1, p. 102, from 
about 1905-1911, has the Omaha term for Winnebago listed as Hu'tuNga. 
Settled uncomfortably on the northern part of the Omaha reservation as 
they were, it's hard to imagine he would not be well aware of the term in 
some form.

"Winnebago" is a somewhat unflattering Algonquian name for the tribe, and 
I have a sense that Dorsey made an effort to refer to tribes by their own 
ethnonyms long before it became PC to do so in English; e.g. Da. instead 
of "Sioux", and Tc. instead of Iowa or Oto.  Perhaps he started out using 
W., and then switched to H. as he became better aware of the native term? 
Do we have any slips that list both W. and H. as separate languages?

Rory





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Remember that the name "Hochunk" is a 21st century (almost) development -- 

Dorsey probably never heard that name used.


David S. Rood
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On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Mark J Awakuni-Swetland wrote:

> Aho WagaxthoN,
> Catherine and I first thought it might be H. for Hochank. I cannot lay 
my
> hands on a slip that has the W. but I know we have some like that.
> When I come across a W. example and an H. example we can take a look and
> see what we think about them.
> WibthahoN
> WagoNze Uthixide
>
> Mark Awakuni-Swetland, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor of Anthropology
> and Ethnic Studies (Native American Studies)
> University of Nebraska
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>
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