English grammar innovation? New reflexive pronouns?
David Costa
pankihtamwa at earthlink.net
Sun Feb 13 18:59:46 UTC 2011
Both 'themself' and 'theirselves' have been around a while. I first
noticed 'themself' in the '80s and might even use it myself.
'Themself' presumably arose as a result of the use of 'they' as a
gender-neutral 3rd person singular pronoun. Also note that 'themself'
gets 1.7 million Google hits.
It's discussed some here: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004285.html
Dave Costa
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> In my English grammar class a few days ago my undergraduates
> claimed to have two reflexive pronouns that I have never heard
> before. I wonder how wide-spread this is, or what other comments
> you might have about it.
> The first is "themself", used for collective nouns. The example
> was "The team really hurt themself by not cooperating more." We're
> already ambivalent about number agreement in collectives (observe:
> "The team is playing well this year -- I hope they keep it up" with
> singular verb agreement but plural for the anaphoric pronoun), so
> this seems like a reasonable development.
> The second is "theirselves", which for these kids, at least,
> contrasts with "themselves". "The class taught theirselves the
> lesson" is said to mean that they got together in little groups or
> otherwise informally mixed and helped each other learn. This is
> different from "The class taught themselves the lesson", in which
> each person taught him or herself, without cooperation, and also
> different from "the class taught each other the lesson", in which
> there has to be more deliberate one-to-one interaction. I have no
> idea how to label this one.
> ` There are probably dialect differences across the Atlantic, too,
> since British speakers use plural verbs with collectives much more
> readily than we do ("the team are playing well this year" is very
> marginal for me, but easily accepted in England, I'm told).
> Is there a new "University of Colorado undergraduate" dialect of
> English evolving, or have I just not been keeping up? Seems like
> the contrast collective/indivduated may be expanding its grammatical
> effects.
>
> Best,
> David
>
>
>
> David S. Rood
> Dept. of Linguistics
> Univ. of Colorado
> 295 UCB
> Boulder, CO 80309-0295
> USA
> rood at colorado.edu
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