MySL

Wed Sep 5 10:27:14 UTC 2007

Hoi,
According to Ethnologue there is a Finnish Sign Language (fse) and a
separate Finnish Swedish Sign Language (fss). They are considered to be
distinct and, the Finnish Swedish Sign Language is said to be associated
with a school that has been closed. The text has SUOMENRUOTSALAINEN and
VIITTOMAKIELI as the same. My question is it ?

It is fine to call a language whatever, it is not so obvious that you will
be universally understood. I am one of the probably few people who know
there are two sign languages associated with Finland .. who does not sign :)
and is not Finnish. The codes that I posted are codes, not acronyms, and
therefore do not have inherent meaning they are useful only because they
allow language content to be uniquely identified.

In a previous post of mine this distinction between codes and acronyms was
not clear at all. Sorry.

Thanks,
     Gerard

http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=fse
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=fss

On 9/5/07, Tommi Jantunen <tommi.jantunen at campus.jyu.fi> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Just to make a few things straight regarding the discussion on
> Finnish Sign Language.
>
> Finnish Deaf people typically refer to their language with the
> compound-like sign (typically glossed as) VIITTOMAKIELI 'sign
> language'; sometimes, depending both on the background of the signer
> and his/her language variety, this sign may be preceded by the sign
> SUOMI 'Finland' or the sign SUOMENRUOTSALAINEN 'Finland-Swedish'.
> Fingerspelling or signs containing fingerspelling are typically not
> used by Finnish sign language users as a way to refer to their language.
>
> Acronyms such as SVK (derived from the Finnish word [S]uomalainen [V]
> iittoma[K]kieli 'Finnish Sign Language) or FinSL are used almost
> exclusively in academic or "bureaucratic" settings, e.g. in articles
> (SVK in Finnish texts and FinSL in English texts), as a way to refer
> to the language by the means of writing. Also, it should be noted
> that the acronym SVK is used only by a handfull of (mostly hearing)
> linguists.
>
> You can watch the FinSL signs referred to above in Suvi, the On-line
> Dictionary of FinSL. Direct links are:
>
> VIITTOMAKIELI
> http://suvi.viittomat.net/Index.aspx?c=search;
> 2&type=res&crt_fin=viittomakieli&id=966#start
> SUOMI
> http://suvi.viittomat.net/Index.aspx?c=search;
> 2&type=res&crt_fin=Suomi&id=723#start
> SUOMENRUOTSALAINEN
> http://suvi.viittomat.net/Index.aspx?c=search;
> 2&type=res&crt_fin=suomenruotsalainen&id=359#start
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tommi Jantunen
>
> --
> Tommi Jantunen
> Lehtori / Lecturer
> Suomalainen viittomakieli / Finnish Sign Language
> Kielten laitos / Department of Languages
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>
>
> Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa kirjoitti 5.9.2007 kello 11.23:
>
> > Dear David,
> >
> > I have spoken to HO Koon-Wei who is a deaf sign linguist in Malaysia.
> >
> > She said that people in Malaysia use both acronyms - BIM or MySL. When
> > speaking with people outside Malaysia, they try and use MySL (making
> > it easier for you, maybe?) but in Malaysia, the Deaf community would
> > use either BIM or MySL - both the same one language.
> >
> > I guess its the same with SVK - the Finns tells us that their language
> > is called FinSL but they never use that term in Finland - only for the
> > outsiders and many deafies outside Finland may find it disrespectful
> > by calling it FinSL instead of SVK. Another example is TID (Turkish
> > Sign Language) - I havent seen people saying TSL?
> >
> > Shane
> >
> > On 05/09/07, Hope Hurlbut <hope_hurlbut at sil.org> wrote:
> >> Dear David and Shane,
> >> I live in Malaysia, and had not heard of the change!  Maybe it is
> >> has not
> >> reached the Borneo side of the Malaysia yet.
> >> Hope
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "David McKee" <david.mckee at vuw.ac.nz>
> >> To: "A list for linguists interested in signed languages"
> >> <slling-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 5:47 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [SLLING-L] MySL
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Shane,
> >>>
> >>> I was in Malaysia for a MySL seminar as a guest speaker at the
> >>> invitation
> >>> from Malaysia Federation of the Deaf two weeks ago.  The  change
> >>> happens
> >>> recently and maybe your sign linguist isn't aware of  this change
> >>> - yet.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 5/09/2007, at 9:27 AM, Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> David,
> >>>>
> >>>> I spoke to a sign linguist in Malaysia a few weeks ago and she said
> >>>> that its called BIM?
> >>>>
> >>>> Shane
> >>>>
> >>>>
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