SLLING-L Digest - 24 Feb 2011 to 25 Feb 2011 (#2011-10)

Sat Feb 26 13:22:10 UTC 2011

The comment of signing along with text got me to thinking that if one taught the 
Deaf to read their own language on paper it would go a long way to translating 
one text into another as one could show the grammatical relationships clearly.

SignWriting allows that so that a person can write what they think they are 
comprehending, such as your Deaf person signing to themselves, and compare it, 
with the teacher, to the actual text.

Seeing it anecdotally doesn't work, seeing it with real signs on paper compared 
to real spoken language on paper has been shown in extensive studies to have 
that "light bulb of understanding" go on in the student's head of where they are 
missing meaning from attempting GLOSS without understanding.  

Charles

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  1. Query from a colleague

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Date:    Fri, 25 Feb 2011 00:13:17 -0500
From:    twflynn at AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Query from a colleague

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When I taught reading to Deaf college students eight or ten years ago, I ex=
plained to them that non-Deaf people have a little voice in their head - or=
at least I had one - and when I read, I could sort of 'hear' that voice in=
my head speaking the sentences I was reading. I asked them what went on in=
their heads when they were reading - did they 'see' hands signing or what.=
Three of them told me that the words on the pge made pictures in their hea=
ds (as long as they understood the words)  - one guy said something like, "=
If I see d-o-g, I see a dog in my head, and then if I see r-u-n, then I see=
the dog running."=20

It's not my intuition, and it sure don't count as research, but it might be=
something of a start.=20

BTW, I did have one Deaf student who signed while he read - he threw a sign=
for every word he said, so it sure wasn't ASL, and based on his responses =
about the readings, I don't think he understood them even decently - someti=
mes not at all. So I'd say that signing along with the text - be it on the =
hands or in the head - didn't help with decoding the text, but it could be =
that what he was doing physically was just an exhibition/demonstration of w=
hat was going on in his head - like reading aloud only signing aloud. I dun=
no.=20

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From: Fischer Susan <susan.fischer at RIT.EDU>
To: SLLING-L <SLLING-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACC.EDU>
Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2011 3:34 pm
Subject: Query from a colleague

A non-sign linguist asks for citations or intuitions about how signers talk=
to themselves in their heads. For example, do they visualize themselves or=
someone else?  Do they see their hands from their normal perspective?  My =
own initial reaction would be that there's some subliminal manual (or other=
) tension that could be measured much as lips show some tension when users =
of spoken language talk to themselves.  Might there be individual variation=
? (such variation is under-studied in the case of spoken language).  I will=
be happy to post a summary of responses.

Susan D. Fischer
Susan.Fischer at rit.edu

Center for Research on Language
UCSD

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<div>When I taught reading to Deaf college students eight or ten years ago,=
I explained to them that non-Deaf people have a little voice in their head=
- or at least I had one - and when I read, I could sort of 'hear' that voi=
ce in my head speaking the sentences I was reading. I asked them what went =
on in their heads when they were reading - did they 'see' hands signing or&=
nbsp;what. Three of them told me that the words on the pge made pictures in=
their heads (as long as they understood the words)  - one guy said so=
mething like, "If I see d-o-g, I see a dog in my head, and then if I see r-=
u-n, then I see the dog running." </div>

<div> </div>

<div>It's not my intuition, and it sure don't count as research, but it mig=
ht be something of a start. </div>

<div> </div>

<div>BTW, I did have one Deaf student who signed while he read - he threw a=
sign for every word he said, so it sure wasn't ASL, and based on his respo=
nses about the readings, I don't think he understood them even decently - s=
ometimes not at all. So I'd say that signing along with the text - be it on=
the hands or in the head - didn't help with decoding the text, but it coul=
d be that what he was doing physically was just an exhibition/demonstration=
of what was going on in his head - like reading aloud only signing aloud. =
I dunno. <br>
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sion that could be measured much as lips show some tension when users of sp=
oken language talk to themselves.  Might there be individual variation=
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