Agreement with SAME

[Mark A. Mandel]

Dear Victoria,

Just to make it explicit, then, is it the case that

  - MSL SAME, 2-handed version, does not allow the locations or orientations of the hands to index the referents ?

  - AdaSL SAME, the lateral path movement does not index the referents ?

--
Mark A. Mandel
Linguistic Data Consortium
University of Pennsylvania



On 12.04.05, at 5:52 AM, Nyst, V.A.S. wrote:

> Dear Itamar, 
> As far as I know it is not possible to modify the sign meaning 'same'
> for agreement in the sign languages I am working on, i.e. Adamorobe SL
> (Ghana) and Malian SL as used in Bamako.
> MSL: SAME is made with one or two V hands closing to an H hand in space
> AdaSL SAME: upright V hand repeates a short lateral path movement +
> [fff] on the mouth
> Greetings, 
> Victoria
> 
> 
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> 
> Date:    Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:51:22 -0400
> From:    Itamar Kastner <itamar at NYU.EDU>
> Subject: Agreement with SAME
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I was wondering whether anyone knew of signed languages in which the
> signs for SAME, SIMILAR or IDENTICAL can mark agreement with the
> elements they are equating, as ASL SAME does.
> 
> For those unfamiliar with it, in ASL a Y handshape can move between two
> indices in space to indicate that their referents are similar, a-SAME-b
> (especially when one of them is the signer, 1-SAME-2, in a construction
> meaning ME-TOO or SAME-HERE); or, alternatively, the sign can move to a
> lesser degree in neutral space without agreeing with any object, in
> similar fashion to a 'plain verb'.
> 
> I have not been able to find anything about this in the literature and
> I'd be curious to know if a similar pattern exists in other languages.
> 
> Thanks,
> Itamar
> 
> --
> phd student, nyu linguistics
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