SLLING-L Digest - 4 Apr 2012 to 5 Apr 2012 (#2012-34)

Sun Apr 8 09:44:49 UTC 2012

SAME/LIKE is also locatable in NZSL. See:  http://nzsl.vuw.ac.nz/signs/2961 and http://nzsl.vuw.ac.nz/signs/2479
Rachel McKee

On 6/04/2012, at 4:00 PM, SLLING-L automatic digest system wrote:

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>  1. Agreement with SAME (2)
>  2. SLLING-L Digest - 31 Mar 2012 to 4 Apr 2012 (#2012-33) (2)
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> Date:    Thu, 5 Apr 2012 05:06:38 +0000
> From:    Adam Schembri <A.Schembri at LATROBE.EDU.AU>
> Subject: Re: Agreement with SAME
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> Itamar,
> Auslan/BSL SAME/LIKE could be produced at a location between the locations =
> associated with two referents to indicate that they are the same. Some Ausl=
> an signers also use the ASL sign you describe, in the same ways you outline=
> below.
> I'm interested to know why you're interested in this particular ASL sign?
> Thanks,
> Adam
> --
> Assoc. Prof. Adam Schembri, PhD
> Director | National Institute for Deaf Studies and Sign Language
> La Trobe University | Melbourne (Bundoora) | Victoria |  3086 |  Australia
> Tel : +61 3 9479 2887 | Mob: +61 432 840 744 |http://www.adamschembri.net/w=
> ebpage/Welcome.html
> 
> 
> From: Fischer Susan <susan.fischer at RIT.EDU<mailto:susan.fischer at RIT.EDU>>
> Reply-To: linguists interested in signed languages <SLLING-L at LISTSERV.VALEN=
> CIACOLLEGE.EDU<mailto:SLLING-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>>
> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:50:13 -0700
> To: <SLLING-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU<mailto:SLLING-L at LISTSERV.VALENCI=
> ACOLLEGE.EDU>>
> Subject: Re: Agreement with SAME
> 
> Japanese Sign Language MO/ONAJI is performed with two hands (thumb and fore=
> finger of each hand closes and opens rapidly; hands are placed at the locat=
> ions of the two arguments.
> 
> Susan D. Fischer
> Susan.Fischer at rit.edu<mailto:Susan.Fischer at rit.edu>
> 
> Center for Research on Language
> UCSD
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Itamar Kastner wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I was wondering whether anyone knew of signed languages in which the signs =
> for SAME, SIMILAR or IDENTICAL can mark agreement with the elements they ar=
> e equating, as ASL SAME does.
> 
> For those unfamiliar with it, in ASL a Y handshape can move between two ind=
> ices in space to indicate that their referents are similar, a-SAME-b (espec=
> ially when one of them is the signer, 1-SAME-2, in a construction meaning M=
> E-TOO or SAME-HERE); or, alternatively, the sign can move to a lesser degre=
> e in neutral space without agreeing with any object, in similar fashion to =
> a 'plain verb'.
> 
> I have not been able to find anything about this in the literature and I'd =
> be curious to know if a similar pattern exists in other languages.
> 
> Thanks,
> Itamar
> 
> --
> phd student, nyu linguistics
> https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/public
> 
> 
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> <div>
> <div>
> <div>Itamar,</div>
> <div>Auslan/BSL SAME/LIKE could be produced at a location between the locat=
> ions associated with two referents to indicate that they are the same. Some=
> Auslan signers also use the ASL sign you describe, in the same ways you ou=
> tline below.</div>
> <div>I'm interested to know why you're interested in this particular ASL si=
> gn?</div>
> <div>Thanks,</div>
> <div>Adam</div>
> <div>
> <div>
> <div>-- </div>
> <div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-siz=
> e: 13px; ">Assoc. Prof. Adam Schembri, PhD</span><span class=3D"Apple-style=
> -span" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><br>
> </span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-s=
> ize: 13px; ">Director | National Institute for Deaf Studies and Sign Langua=
> ge</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font=
> -size: 13px; "><br>
> </span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-s=
> ize: 13px; ">La Trobe University | Melbourne (Bundoora) | Victoria |  =
> 3086 |  Australia</span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font=
> -family: Arial; font-size: 13px; "><br>
> </span><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-s=
> ize: 13px; ">Tel : +61 3 9479 2887 | Mob: +61 432 840 744 |http://w=
> ww.adamschembri.net/webpage/Welcome.html</span></div>
> <div><br>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
> </div>
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> <div><br>
> </div>
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> BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
> <span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Fischer Susan <<a href=3D"=
> mailto:susan.fischer at RIT.EDU">susan.fischer at RIT.EDU</a>><br>
> <span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>linguists interested in s=
> igned languages <<a href=3D"mailto:SLLING-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU=
> ">SLLING-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>><br>
> <span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:50:13 -070=
> 0<br>
> <span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span><<a href=3D"mailto:SLLING-L@=
> LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU">SLLING-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU</a>>=
> <br>
> <span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: Agreement with SAME<br=
>> 
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> <div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line=
> -break: after-white-space; ">
> Japanese Sign Language MO/ONAJI is performed with two hands (thumb and fore=
> finger of each hand closes and opens rapidly; hands are placed at the locat=
> ions of the two arguments.
> <div><br>
> <div apple-content-edited=3D"true"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=
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> <div>Susan D. Fischer</div>
> <div><a href=3D"mailto:Susan.Fischer at rit.edu">Susan.Fischer at rit.edu</a></di=
> v>
> <div><br>
> </div>
> <div>Center for Research on Language</div>
> <div>UCSD</div>
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> <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
> </span></span></div>
> <br>
> <div>
> <div>On Apr 4, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Itamar Kastner wrote:</div>
> <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
> <blockquote type=3D"cite">
> <div dir=3D"ltr">Dear all,<br>
> <br>
> I was wondering whether anyone knew of signed languages in which the signs =
> for SAME, SIMILAR or IDENTICAL can mark agreement with the elements they ar=
> e equating, as ASL SAME does.<br>
> <br>
> For those unfamiliar with it, in ASL a Y handshape can move between two ind=
> ices in space to indicate that their referents are similar, a-SAME-b (espec=
> ially when one of them is the signer, 1-SAME-2, in a construction meaning M=
> E-TOO or SAME-HERE); or, alternatively,
> the sign can move to a lesser degree in neutral space without agreeing wit=
> h any object, in similar fashion to a 'plain verb'.<br>
> <br>
> I have not been able to find anything about this in the literature and I'd =
> be curious to know if a similar pattern exists in other languages.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Itamar<br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> phd student, nyu linguistics<br>
> <a href=3D"https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/public">https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/=
> public</a><br>
> </div>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date:    Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:52:08 +0200
> From:    "Nyst, V.A.S." <v.a.s.nyst at HUM.LEIDENUNIV.NL>
> Subject: Re: SLLING-L Digest - 31 Mar 2012 to 4 Apr 2012 (#2012-33)
> 
> Dear Itamar, 
> As far as I know it is not possible to modify the sign meaning 'same'
> for agreement in the sign languages I am working on, i.e. Adamorobe SL
> (Ghana) and Malian SL as used in Bamako.
> MSL: SAME is made with one or two V hands closing to an H hand in space
> AdaSL SAME: upright V hand repeates a short lateral path movement +
> [fff] on the mouth
> Greetings, 
> Victoria
> 
> 
> 
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> There are 2 messages totalling 169 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
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>  1. Agreement with SAME (2)
> 
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> Date:    Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:51:22 -0400
> From:    Itamar Kastner <itamar at NYU.EDU>
> Subject: Agreement with SAME
> 
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> Dear all,
> 
> I was wondering whether anyone knew of signed languages in which the
> signs for SAME, SIMILAR or IDENTICAL can mark agreement with the
> elements they are equating, as ASL SAME does.
> 
> For those unfamiliar with it, in ASL a Y handshape can move between two
> indices in space to indicate that their referents are similar, a-SAME-b
> (especially when one of them is the signer, 1-SAME-2, in a construction
> meaning ME-TOO or SAME-HERE); or, alternatively, the sign can move to a
> lesser degree in neutral space without agreeing with any object, in
> similar fashion to a 'plain verb'.
> 
> I have not been able to find anything about this in the literature and
> I'd be curious to know if a similar pattern exists in other languages.
> 
> Thanks,
> Itamar
> 
> --
> phd student, nyu linguistics
> https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/public
> 
> --f46d0447a2b5df650504bce59f99
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> <div dir=3D"ltr">Dear all,<br><br>I was wondering whether anyone knew of
> si= gned languages in which the signs for SAME, SIMILAR or IDENTICAL can
> mark a= greement with the elements they are equating, as ASL SAME
> does.<br><br>For = those unfamiliar with it, in ASL a Y handshape can
> move between two indices=  in space to indicate that their referents are
> similar, a-SAME-b (especiall= y when one of them is the signer,
> 1-SAME-2, in a construction meaning ME-TO= O or SAME-HERE); or,
> alternatively, the sign can move to a lesser degree in=  neutral space
> without agreeing with any object, in similar fashion to a &#= 39;plain
> verb'.<br>
> 
> <br>I have not been able to find anything about this in the literature
> and = I'd be curious to know if a similar pattern exists in other
> languages.<=
> br><br>Thanks,<br>Itamar<br><br>-- <br>phd student, nyu linguistics<br>
> 
> <a
> href=3D"https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/public">https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/
> =
> public</a><br></div>
> 
> --f46d0447a2b5df650504bce59f99--
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> Date:    Wed, 4 Apr 2012 20:50:13 -0700
> From:    Fischer Susan <susan.fischer at RIT.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Agreement with SAME
> 
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> Japanese Sign Language MO/ONAJI is performed with two hands (thumb and =
> forefinger of each hand closes and opens rapidly; hands are placed at =
> the locations of the two arguments.
> 
> Susan D. Fischer
> Susan.Fischer at rit.edu
> 
> Center for Research on Language
> UCSD
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 4, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Itamar Kastner wrote:
> 
>> Dear all,
>> =20
>> I was wondering whether anyone knew of signed languages in which the =
> signs for SAME, SIMILAR or IDENTICAL can mark agreement with the =
> elements they are equating, as ASL SAME does.
>> =20
>> For those unfamiliar with it, in ASL a Y handshape can move between =
> two indices in space to indicate that their referents are similar, =
> a-SAME-b (especially when one of them is the signer, 1-SAME-2, in a =
> construction meaning ME-TOO or SAME-HERE); or, alternatively, the sign =
> can move to a lesser degree in neutral space without agreeing with any =
> object, in similar fashion to a 'plain verb'.
>> =20
>> I have not been able to find anything about this in the literature and
> 
>> =
> I'd be curious to know if a similar pattern exists in other languages.
>> =20
>> Thanks,
>> Itamar
>> =20
>> --=20
>> phd student, nyu linguistics
>> https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/public
> 
> 
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> <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
> -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
> ">Japanese Sign Language MO/ONAJI is performed with two hands (thumb and
> = forefinger of each hand closes and opens rapidly; hands are placed at
> = the locations of the two arguments.<div><br><div =
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> white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><div>Susan D. =
> Fischer</div><div><a =
> href=3D"mailto:Susan.Fischer at rit.edu">Susan.Fischer at rit.edu</a></div><di
> v>=
> <br></div><div>Center for Research on =
> Language</div><div>UCSD</div><div><br =
> class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></div><br =
> class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span>
> </div>
> <br><div><div>On Apr 4, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Itamar Kastner wrote:</div><br
> = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
> dir=3D"ltr">Dear all,<br><br>I was wondering whether anyone knew of =
> signed languages in which the signs for SAME, SIMILAR or IDENTICAL can =
> mark agreement with the elements they are equating, as ASL SAME =
> does.<br><br>For those unfamiliar with it, in ASL a Y handshape can move
> = between two indices in space to indicate that their referents are =
> similar, a-SAME-b (especially when one of them is the signer, 1-SAME-2,
> = in a construction meaning ME-TOO or SAME-HERE); or, alternatively, the
> = sign can move to a lesser degree in neutral space without agreeing
> with = any object, in similar fashion to a 'plain verb'.<br>
> 
> <br>I have not been able to find anything about this in the literature =
> and I'd be curious to know if a similar pattern exists in other =
> languages.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Itamar<br><br>-- <br>phd student, nyu =
> linguistics<br>
> 
> <a =
> href=3D"https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/public">https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/
> pu=
> blic</a><br></div>
> </blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>=
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date:    Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:52:34 -0700
> From:    Sarah Hafer <sarah.hafer at GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: SLLING-L Digest - 31 Mar 2012 to 4 Apr 2012 (#2012-33)
> 
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> Hello Ltamar,
> 
> I thought i would add one related word to SAME in ASL and that would be one
> of the variants of AGREE. The variant i am referring to is a compound sign
> where you begin with the sign THINK then use the SAME sign but in an
> agreement manner between person 1 and person 2. I know this is not about
> other signed languages to compare with ASL's SAME as wondered by you. I
> just thought this would add some interest to your question, smiles.
> 
> Sarah
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:00 PM, SLLING-L automatic digest system <
> LISTSERV at listserv.valenciacollege.edu> wrote:
> 
>> There are 2 messages totalling 169 lines in this issue.
>> 
>> Topics of the day:
>> 
>> 1. Agreement with SAME (2)
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Date:    Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:51:22 -0400
>> From:    Itamar Kastner <itamar at NYU.EDU>
>> Subject: Agreement with SAME
>> 
>> --f46d0447a2b5df650504bce59f99
>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset=utf-8
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I was wondering whether anyone knew of signed languages in which the signs
>> for SAME, SIMILAR or IDENTICAL can mark agreement with the elements they
>> are equating, as ASL SAME does.
>> 
>> For those unfamiliar with it, in ASL a Y handshape can move between two
>> indices in space to indicate that their referents are similar, a-SAME-b
>> (especially when one of them is the signer, 1-SAME-2, in a construction
>> meaning ME-TOO or SAME-HERE); or, alternatively, the sign can move to a
>> lesser degree in neutral space without agreeing with any object, in similar
>> fashion to a 'plain verb'.
>> 
>> I have not been able to find anything about this in the literature and I'd
>> be curious to know if a similar pattern exists in other languages.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Itamar
>> 
>> --
>> phd student, nyu linguistics
>> https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/public
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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> 
> Hello Ltamar,<div><br></div><div>I thought i would add one related word to =
> SAME in ASL and that would be one of the variants of AGREE. The variant i a=
> m referring to is a compound sign where you begin with the sign THINK then =
> use the SAME sign but in an agreement manner between person 1 and person 2.=
> I know this is not about other signed languages to compare with ASL's =
> SAME as wondered by you. I just thought this would add some interest to you=
> r question, smiles.</div>
> 
> <div><br clear=3D"all"><div>Sarah=A0<br></div><br>
> <br><br><div name=3D"sig_092e8b92b2" style=3D"margin-top:0pt;margin-right:0=
> pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0pt"></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On W=
> ed, Apr 4, 2012 at 9:00 PM, SLLING-L automatic digest system <span dir=3D"l=
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> istserv.valenciacollege.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
> x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">There are 2 messages totalling 169 lines in =
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> Topics of the day:<br>
> <br>
> =A01. Agreement with SAME (2)<br>
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> Date: =A0 =A0Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:51:22 -0400<br>
> From: =A0 =A0Itamar Kastner <<a href=3D"mailto:itamar at NYU.EDU">itamar at NY=
> U.EDU</a>><br>
> Subject: Agreement with SAME<br>
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> <br>
> Dear all,<br>
> <br>
> I was wondering whether anyone knew of signed languages in which the signs<=
> br>
> for SAME, SIMILAR or IDENTICAL can mark agreement with the elements they<br=
>> 
> are equating, as ASL SAME does.<br>
> <br>
> For those unfamiliar with it, in ASL a Y handshape can move between two<br>
> indices in space to indicate that their referents are similar, a-SAME-b<br>
> (especially when one of them is the signer, 1-SAME-2, in a construction<br>
> meaning ME-TOO or SAME-HERE); or, alternatively, the sign can move to a<br>
> lesser degree in neutral space without agreeing with any object, in similar=
> <br>
> fashion to a 'plain verb'.<br>
> <br>
> I have not been able to find anything about this in the literature and I&#3=
> 9;d<br>
> be curious to know if a similar pattern exists in other languages.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Itamar<br>
> <br>
> --<br>
> phd student, nyu linguistics<br>
> <a href=3D"https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/public" target=3D"_blank">https://fi=
> les.nyu.edu/ik747/public</a><br>
> <br><br>
> <br>
> </blockquote></div><br></div>
> 
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> 
> Date:    Thu, 5 Apr 2012 11:18:02 -0400
> From:    "Mark A. Mandel" <mamandel at LDC.UPENN.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Agreement with SAME
> 
> Dear Victoria,
> 
> Just to make it explicit, then, is it the case that
> 
>  - MSL SAME, 2-handed version, does not allow the locations or orientations of the hands to index the referents ?
> 
>  - AdaSL SAME, the lateral path movement does not index the referents ?
> 
> --
> Mark A. Mandel
> Linguistic Data Consortium
> University of Pennsylvania
> 
> 
> 
> On 12.04.05, at 5:52 AM, Nyst, V.A.S. wrote:
> 
>> Dear Itamar, 
>> As far as I know it is not possible to modify the sign meaning 'same'
>> for agreement in the sign languages I am working on, i.e. Adamorobe SL
>> (Ghana) and Malian SL as used in Bamako.
>> MSL: SAME is made with one or two V hands closing to an H hand in space
>> AdaSL SAME: upright V hand repeates a short lateral path movement +
>> [fff] on the mouth
>> Greetings, 
>> Victoria
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Date:    Wed, 4 Apr 2012 22:51:22 -0400
>> From:    Itamar Kastner <itamar at NYU.EDU>
>> Subject: Agreement with SAME
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I was wondering whether anyone knew of signed languages in which the
>> signs for SAME, SIMILAR or IDENTICAL can mark agreement with the
>> elements they are equating, as ASL SAME does.
>> 
>> For those unfamiliar with it, in ASL a Y handshape can move between two
>> indices in space to indicate that their referents are similar, a-SAME-b
>> (especially when one of them is the signer, 1-SAME-2, in a construction
>> meaning ME-TOO or SAME-HERE); or, alternatively, the sign can move to a
>> lesser degree in neutral space without agreeing with any object, in
>> similar fashion to a 'plain verb'.
>> 
>> I have not been able to find anything about this in the literature and
>> I'd be curious to know if a similar pattern exists in other languages.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Itamar
>> 
>> --
>> phd student, nyu linguistics
>> https://files.nyu.edu/ik747/public
> 
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