Possible rotation marker

Tue Oct 14 19:29:45 UTC 2003

This is just a wild thought, but maybe it isn't worth anything.  I'll just
throw it out.

Would it have any value to have variations of these symbols for every
orientation which could then be used with a "vanilla" handshape symbol as a
standard alternative for using handshape shading? The reason I ask is
because I can see where it might be helpful for research writing (to isolate
the hand orientation from the handshape) in a written form. For everyday
use, the handshadings and these symbols for 45 degrees is enough.  I'm just
thinking for an understood variation of writing that people could
understand?

Just a thought.  If I'm off my rocker, then that's fine too. :)

Stuart

> -----Original Message-----
> From: SignWriting List [mailto:SW-L at ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA] On 
> Behalf Of Charles Butler
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 13:25
> To: SW-L at ADMIN.HUMBERC.ON.CA
> Subject: Possible rotation marker
> 
> 
> Hello folks,
> 
> I flagged this by Valerie, and she has assured me that
> it is part of the normal development of Sign Writing
> for different signers to come up with different
> solutions.
> 
> I had a brainstorm about a way to show 45 degree
> angles on all hands without resorting to 3/4 shadings
> which for some hands which have very narrow squares or
> oblongs may be difficult, even in handwriting.
> 
> Take a look at this and tell me what you think.  The
> shaded circles are meant to show where the back of the
> hand is, so you can, from the orientation of the palms
> take a first orientation, front, back, sticking out
> horizontally, and then with the slashed circle show
> the  "45 degree orientation" relative to that axis.
> This way you only need to have 4 symbols to show the
> "/" orientation for ANY hand, not multiple shadings
> beyond the three major axes.
> 
> I've shown the "boat" and "book" hands with 1/2 shade
> to give the feel for the "palm facing the reader" in
> the center.  This is EXPERIMENTAL.  What do folks feel
> about it.  It makes for quick writing for all of those
> signs that are 45 angles if you need to show that for
> understanding.
> 
> Charles Butler
> 
> --- Valerie Sutton <Sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG> wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > October 14, 2003
> >
> -> Dear SW List Members:
> > Sorry for my silence lately. Actually, behind the
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> > SignWriting
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> > new plans for new
> > SignWriting software! Pretty exciting,
> > actually...but of course the
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> > awhile...
> >
> > Software development has become my only focus now,
> > since without good
> > "typewriters" or "sign-processors", and without good
> > databases, it is
> > very hard for researchers and teachers around the
> > world to use
> > SignWriting. As you know, thousands of people write
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> > I have never met,
> > since they learn it for free on the web...
> >
> > But just as with spoken languages...writing by hand
> > came first, and
> > then computer programs were developed later, to type
> > those symbols...
> >
> > In the case of SignWriting, the actual writing
> > system is still under
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