[sw-l] WoordenBoek and Sign Puddle coordination...a question...

Valerie Sutton sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG
Wed Oct 13 23:12:49 UTC 2004 

SignWriting List
October 13, 2004

Hello Charles!
Thank you for these questions. Are you looking at the signs that are in 
the Flemish Sign Language Dictionary online? Called the WoordenBoek? I 
have never seen the signs you are talking about, and it suddenly dawned 
on me that you were looking at Flemish Sign Language? And I have never 
even looked at their videos...that is wonderful that they have included 
those!!!

Regarding editing the Flemish Sign Language Dictionary...I have never 
read their dictionary in SignWriting...Before we start to do any 
editing, I would want to include the Deaf writer, Kristof, and I do not 
believe Kristof is a member of the SignWriting List...but maybe later, 
if the teachers from the Deaf school in Belgium can help us, maybe we 
can all communicate about what those signs are supposed to be, and then 
re-write them so that we all can read them...We should do that as a 
project together on the SignWriting List, and I know everyone will 
learn a lot from that experience...there are a lot of dictionaries in 
the world that need editing...including our ASL 
dictionary...smile...but in time, if the software can settle down...we 
can make all those dictionaries better...

Meanwhile I think it is fabulous that there are over 6000 Flemish Signs 
online...it is an excellent start!

I am working on the web pages for Switzerland and Belgium right now, 
but I will be happy to try to answer your questions tomorrow -

By the way, in November-December I hope to go back to the IMWA and add 
some of the symbols that are missing...I know of two new handshapes you 
requested...one from Russia and one from the Signuno system...I am sure 
there are others I have forgotten...so if you could go through the 
entire listing...there are currently 195 handshapes I 
believe...download this document...

IMWA
http://www.SignWriting.org/archive/docs2/sw0160-sss2004-IMWA.pdf

and then tell me if you think of any other handshapes that are missing 
- many thanks!

And thanks for writing, Charles -

Val ;-)

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On Oct 13, 2004, at 2:10 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Some observations.  I hope these are understood as queries.
>  
> <alfabet.png> Argentinie.  The handshape is turned for the movement 
> shown.  Am I misreading this Valerie?  I think the square angle hand 
> should be mirrored and rotated clockwise 90 degrees to show not only 
> palm toward the reader but up and to the side. 
>   
> <alfabet.png>Aangenaam.  The hands as shown in the video actually 
> split and move outward in opposite curves as they move upward.
>  
> <alfabet.png> Aalst.  The hand moves toward the head in the video and 
> ENDS at a touch.  Should not the asterisk be at the point end of the 
> arrow? 
>   
> I'm glad the videos are included in the dictionary so we can discuss 
> what is signed and compare it to the SW shown.
>  
> Charles Butler
>
>
> Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> October 13, 2004
>
> Yes. The conversion of the DOS dictionaries into graphics, would be a
> useful tool because some of the dictionaries, like Stefan Woehrmann's
>  10,000 sign dictionary, are so large, that without a conversion tool 
> it
> would be impossible to re-type quickly...With such a conversion, they
>  could become both WoordenBoek and Sign Puddle dictionaries that could
>  later be redone in SignMaker...My jumbled thoughts for today...
>
> So I guess it depends on whether we can use WoordenBoek to do such
>  conversions...I will write to ask them...
>
> My thanks to everyone for making this List so enjoyable and for making
>  SignWriting a useful tool...Without you, we would be nowhere!
>
> Val ;-)
>
> ----------------------
>
>
> Stephen Slevinski wrote:
> > If the Flemish dictionary can dump image files, we coul! d have a 
> Sign
>  > Puddle dictionary right now.
> > Otherwise, we are using different symbol sets (sss-1999 vs 222-2004)
>  > and conversion is a problem.
> >  
> > -Stephen
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>  > [mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu]On Behalf Of Valerie
>  > Sutton
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:25 PM
> > To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> > Cc: Braem Bart; Aerts Steven; Slevinski Stephen
> > Subject: [sw-l] WoordenBoek and Sign Puddle coordination...a
>  > question...
> >
> > SignWriting List
> > October 13, 2004
> >
> > Kathleen Heylen wrote:
> >
> > thank you very much! I will show it to my pupils :o)
> > I'm not planning on filling this dictionary because there is a 
> Flemish
>  > Sign Language dictionary availible on the internet:
>  > http://ugent.gebaren.be
> > But i doubt if it is in English too. B! ut i will try to motivate my
>  > students to participate in this dictionary building ;o) Greetz
>  > Kathleen
> >
> >
> > Hello Everyone, Kathleen and Stephen!
> > Thank you, for the idea of a new Sign Puddle for Flemish Sign
>  > Language...That would give the Deaf students some new features, like
>  > adding their own signs to the web dictionary, and sending email
>  > written in Flemish Sign Language....
> >
> > The Flemish Sign Language students are doubly lucky, because they 
> also
>  > have their own WoordenBoek program on the web, developed by Flemish
>  > programmers Steven Aerts and Bart Braem...You can read about the
>  > Flemish dictionary on these web pages..
> >
> > WoordenBoek
> > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/archive/softarc09.html
> >
> > WoordenBoek
> > http://gebaren.ugent.be/
> >
> > WoordenBoek
> > http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/lisbon/lisbon07.html
> >
> > They have over 6000 Flemish signs on the web, and can automatically
>  > convert SignWriter DOS dictionaries (.dic and .din files)...and 
> there
>  > is a second dictionary for ASL with 3000 signs on the web...plus 
> they
>  > can search by handshape and contact symbols...
> >
> > So here is my question to the programmers....since WoordenBoek and
>  > SignPuddle both are using a form of SWML, and since Woordenboek can
>  > convert SignWriter DOS dictionaries, could SignPuddle then read the
>  > WoordenBoek sign-entries, bringing the signs into a SignPuddle
>  > dictionary, which indirectly would be a way to convert SignWriter 
> DOS
>  > dictionaries to SignPuddle? smile....ha!
> >
> > Val ;-)
> >
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