[sw-l] ASL Maybe

[Valerie Sutton]

Yes. That is correct. That rule started back in the 1970's...so this is
an old and established rule, but I admit that our modern documentation
has not focused on that, partly because years later, people started
using the double curve alternating symbols and all of a sudden that
rule was not as urgent...but the rule made it possible to read
alternating movement correclty, without the extra alternating
symbol...So SignWriting is not really read from left to right, within a
sign...it is read from the center and then out in all
directions...following the arrows to their ending positions. In this
case though, the hands start the movement, and the arrows in the center
are read first, and the arrows on the outside are read second...Val ;-)


On Oct 19, 2004, at 11:26 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:

> Oh!  I wasn't aware of that rule. I had always assumed that you read
> the arrows from the left to right (basically) for each hand. Then,
> based on the arrow for the hand, you would know how to move. But the
> rule really is to read from the center out for arrows like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart
>
> On Oct 19, 2004, at 13:03, Valerie Sutton wrote:
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>> SignWriting List
>> October 19, 2004
>>
>> Dear SW List and Stuart -
>> Thanks for your question...
>>
>> Regarding the Alternating Movement...Both are correct. The double
>> curved symbol that represents Alternating was invented much later.
>> Before that symbol came into the system, we had a rule: When there
>> are multiple arrows like that, you read the symbols from the
>> Center-out. So the right and left movements closest to the center are
>> read first, and then the ones on the outside second...so the
>> alternating was written into the writing system by that rule...but
>> you are welcome to also add the Alternating double curves too, if you
>> wish...it is just reinforcing the same information...
>>
>> Regarding the Mirror Key not working...it is possible that is my
>> fault...an error...in the IMWA symbols...I noticed a few errors like
>> that myself, so in November and December I plan to work on fixing
>> those -
>>
>> Thanks for your feedback!  Val ;-)
>>
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>>
>> On Oct 19, 2004, at 10:42 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>>
>>> I think I may have encountered a bug in the movement arrow
>>> selections. (Plus I am having trouble renaming the old versions). I
>>> was entering the sign MAYBE into the dictionary because I think this
>>> is written incorrectly. The current signs look like this:
>>>
>>> A.
>>> <maybe.png>  B.
>>> <maybe_2.png>
>>>
>>> But the actual dynamics is simultaneous alternating action. So I
>>> think it should be written like this: (but I'm not having much
>>> success saving it to SignPuddle. Right now, Sign A above is
>>> displaying in the dictionary as MAYBE, but when I load it, it looks
>>> the sign below, not Sign A. So it seems the associations have gotten
>>> confused between the composite sign and the build. Originally, sign
>>> A was maybe, sign B was maybe_2.  So I renamed Sign B as maybe_3,
>>> and renamed Sign A as maybe_2, and then planned to put the sign
>>> below as maybe but now it seems to be all confused. What is the best
>>> approach for this?
>>>
>>> <image.png>
>>>
>>> The bug that relates to the arrows is the fact that I cannot use
>>> mirror images of the arrows themselves. I personally like to
>>> represent this as the right hand going down and up and the left hand
>>> going up and down with a simultaneous action (one arc instead of
>>> two). But SignPuddle apparently doesn't have a mirror image of the
>>> arrows yet?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Stuart
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