[sw-l] A spock handshape? Query

Bill Reese wreese01 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM
Wed Sep 29 16:05:32 UTC 2004

I don't think Charles is criticising or being unkind.  He is being
rather direct about his observation and opinion.  It may sound like
criticism.  Many times, the subtlety of the English language isn't
picked up well by those who are hard of hearing.  I'm constantly being
reminded of this myself and seek to find different ways to say things.
I don't want to offend hearing people or late-deafened people who
understand the subtleties.   I'm also an engineer, so I tend to analyze
something as a problem with a concomitant solution.  Such objectiveness
may unwittingly irritate those with subjective sensibilities.

Kiss and makeup Charles!  :-)


Valerie Sutton wrote:

> SignWriting List
> September 29, 2004
> Charles -
> It feels like you are criticising me for not being perfect and knowing
> every symbol you need in advance...No one is denying anyone any
> symbols!...New symbols can be added at any time. All symbols are
> possible, with my hard work entering all 96 GIFs, and then Stephen's
> hard work to inserting them....So I am asking that you be patient and
> kind to me, as I have a lot on my shoulders...
> I will now answer Signuno next message...Val ;-)
> ------------------
> On Sep 29, 2004, at 8:19 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>     So, as I suspected 01-05-018 is the correct shape, but the thumb
>     is missing.  This symbol is so ubiquitous in the SF world that we
>     need this shape with the thumb included in the IMWA.  There are a
>     lot of "weird" handshapes, but this particular one is now
>     universal for "live long and prosper".
>     Charles
>     Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
>     SignWriting List
>     September 29, 2004
>     Charles Butler wrote:
>     > 01-05-018-01-02-01 is the closest one I can find.
>     > This has the two pairs of fingers together, I think.  But I
>     don't see
>     > the thumb.
>     Although searching for symbols in SymbolBank and SignBank Portal 7 is
>     the most accurate way to find a symbol, because it gives you the name
>     and number of each symbol, a very fast and visual way to see the IMWA
>     symbols is to go to SignMaker. It opens with a listing of all 50
>     groups
>     of the IMWA....Then click on a Group symbol to see the BaseSymbols in
>     each group...If you click on the 5 handshape....see next message...
>     > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=Symbols1.gif;
>     x-mac-type=47494666; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-creator=3842494D
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