[sw-l] A spock handshape? Query

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
September 29, 2004

Hello Charles -
Of course I accept your apology and I thank you for it too. I know that 
you didn't realize how it sounded. And I can well imagine it must be 
frustrating to give me a list of needed symbols, only to find that some 
of them are not in the current version of the IMWA, version 1.0.

Part of the problem is that it took me many months just to do the 
25,000 or so symbols of the current version of the IMWA, and I became 
very tired, and couldn't continue. So I stopped it at the point where 
we are now. This has given Stephen the opportunity to go ahead to work 
with the IMWA in his software development. So I am not holding him 
back. Then, later this year, I pray I can add more symbols to the IMWA, 
and that will be version 2.0, but it will not change any of the 
numbers...it will be adding variations to symbols, which is what this 
handshape under discussion will be...

So once again, I will answer that handshape next to Signuno - ha! I 
know I keep saying that ;-)

Thanks for your understanding, Charles...

Val ;-)

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On Sep 29, 2004, at 8:58 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> No, no, no, I did not mean to criticize you.  I clearly did not 
> express myself well.
>  
> I was glad to have found, and/or recognized the right handshape.
>  
> You put out a query very early to the entire list asking for 
> handshapes (more than 3 years ago).  It's my fault as much as any for 
> not seeing that handshape in the 5 list and querying it.
>  
> Please accept my apology if it is seen as criticism.
>  
> Charles
>
>
> Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> September 29, 2004
>
> Charles -
> It feels like you are criticising me for not being perfect and knowing
>  every symbol you need in advance...No one is denying anyone any
>  symbols!...New symbols can be added at any time. All symbols are
>  possible, with my hard work entering all 96 GIFs, and then Stephen's
>  hard work to inserting them....So I am asking that you be patient and
>  kind to me, as I have a lot on my shoulders...
>
> I will now answer Signuno next message...Val ;-)
>
> ------------------
>
>
> On Sep 29, 2004, at 8:19 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>
> > So, as I suspected 01-05-018 is the correct shape, but the thumb is
> > missing.  This symbol is so ubiquitous in the SF world that we need
>  > this shape with the thumb included in the IMWA.  There are a lot of
>  > "weird" handshapes, but th! is particular one is now universal for 
> "live
>  > long and prosper".
> >  
> > Charles
> >  
> >
> >
> > Valerie Sutton wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > September 29, 2004
> >
> > Charles Butler wrote:
> > > 01-05-018-01-02-01 is the closest one I can find. 
> > > This has the two pairs of fingers together, I think.  But I don't 
> see
> > > the thumb.
> >
> > Although searching for symbols in SymbolBank and SignBank Portal 7 is
> > the most accurate way to find a symbol, because it gives you the name
> > and number of each symbol, a very fast and visual way to see the IMWA
> > symbols is to go to SignMaker. It opens with a listing of all 50
>  > groups
> > of the IMWA....Then click on a Group symbol to see the BaseSymbols in
> > each group...If you click on the 5 handshape....see next message...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >! ; > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=Symbols1.gif; 
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