sign for "Tokyo"

Wed Aug 10 11:31:54 UTC 2005

Stef,

I agree with you on this :D

You go and write your sign for "Tokyo" and I ll write mine after that
(cheating I know - but it ll help me a lot!)

Shane

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:owner-sw-
> l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] On Behalf Of Stefan Wöhrmann
> Sent: 10 August 2005 08:57
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Subject: AW: [sw-l] sign for "Tokyo"
> 
> Hi Shane and everybody,
> 
> yes I remember the heated discussion but - it is fun to inform you - I am
> very used to it.
> 
> It happens in every ( really every) SW workshop that it takes some time
> for
> the participants to understand the difference between movementwriting  and
> SL - instruction course.
> 
> And your comment is very welcome to put more emphasis on this aspect!
> 
> If Ingvild and me get the information that the Japanese contact explains
> to
> us his sign for his country or town or place or person ... then we are
> most
> interested to preserve this information just as it is given.
> 
> In order to avoid any telephone game effect we write it down and perform
> it
> again according to this written document to make sure that we did it the
> same way the native signer would agree with -
> (ha and so many times I have to rewrite a sign several times -- until all
> parameters are recorded correctly - but no problem because it is so easy
> to
> do. )
> 
> So we asked these Japanese contact for his association for this sign for
> Tokio he explained the idea of "sunrise".
> 
> I know that there are several associations for a given sign (for example
> America, Australia, ...) so to associate big towers with Tokio does make
> sense as well ...
> 
> Now - within the setting of SignWriting we do not judge about "right" or
> "wrong" signs. We do not criticise the use of this or that variant - we
> simply feel happy and content to have a wonderful way to write and to
> preserve any given performance.
> 
> I did not try to explain that this sign (both L-hands up, palm away from
> signer) is the (only) sign for Tokio and that any other variation should
> be
> wrong!! Not at all.
> 
> I tried to express that this sign has been used by a Japanese for "Tokio"
> -
> 
> .. and we got several others --
> 
> So deaf participants feel much more relaxed and curious if they get
> informed
> that there is a way to preserve the signs they happen to get to know.
> Comparing a whole series of different signs on a solid basis - written
> form
> - is a wonderful contribution to SL as an equal Language.
> The more DEAF signers are able to write down there signs in SW the more we
> will know about signs and the variants.
> 
> Linguists, SL- researchers, SL- instructurs as well as SL- students will
> take a great advantage out of that.
> 
> Stefan ;-))
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Shane
> Gilchrist
> Ó hEorpa
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 02:04
> An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Betreff: [sw-l] sign for "Tokyo"
> 
> 
> It was funny - Stef asked us at the EWSO workshop to write down the sign
> for
> Tokyo - deaf participants disagreed with him over his sign for "Tokyo" and
> it almost became a heated debate (I think Stef was not familiar with this
> pericular part of visualic (sign language) culture where everyone ll argue
> non-stop about the right signs for places etc.
> 
> Thankfully there were two Japaneses in the other room so I had to dash to
> them and asked them their actual sign - and it turned out Stef was right
> after all!!! (just because hes not deaf, many deafies are a bit prejudiced
> about that sign but there are deafies out there who doesn’t sign very
> well!
> Stef can sign better than them!)
> 
> :)
> 
> I still do prefer my sign for "Tokyo" cos i thought it is associated with
> long towers Tokyo is famous for!
> 
> Shane
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:owner-sw-
> > l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] On Behalf Of Stefan Wöhrmann
> > Sent: 09 August 2005 22:12
> > To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> > Subject: AW: [sw-l] New Web posting on ICED Conference
> >
> > Hi Valerie,
> >
> > so you could use the fotos for a great presentation!! smile!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a very interesting story behind the pictures of Ingvild in the
> > hallway with other participants. We took the chance to get in touch with
> > many of them. We did some research on signs names as they are used by
> the
> > DEAF people themselves in their countries!
> >
> > "Photo: Ingvild Roald from Norway (sitting). Kazuhiko Otsuka from Japan
> > (standing)."
> >
> >
> > On this picture  for example we learn some signs from a man from Japan -
> > just curious - how did you mange to get to know his
> > name????????????????????????
> >
> > Anyway - all the people that we contacted showed great interest in our
> > SignWriting - notes. Thus they got first hand impression on how easy it
> > can
> > be to preserve visual information. On the other hand they got an idea
> > about
> > our way to look at the various parameters of a sign.
> >
> > After we wrote the sign - we performed it again following our spelling.
> If
> > they agreed everything was fine and big smiles on our faces.
> >
> > On the picture we learn the sign for TOKIO  ( sun is rising!)
> >
> > It has been a great experience and Ingvild and me we have had lots of
> fun
> > and success -- right Ingvild?   smile
> >
> >
> > Stefan ;-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> > [mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Valerie
> Sutton
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. August 2005 22:32
> > An: List SIGNWRITING
> > Betreff: [sw-l] New Web posting on ICED Conference
> >
> > SignWriting List
> > August 9, 2005
> >
> > New Web posting on ICED Conference
> >
> > SignWriting at ICED 2005
> > http://signwriting.org/europe/iced2005/
> >
> > I need your feedback...
> >
> > 1. Are the captions correct on the photos?
> >
> > 2. Stefan and Kathleen and Sara...Do we have permission to post your
> > abstracts or other writings regarding your specific presentations at
> > Maastricht? Right now, your links go to your other work, as I do not
> > have copies of your abstracts etc...
> >
> > When you have permission to post those, please tell me..
> >
> > 3. Stefan - Do you have any photos of your presentation at ICED?...I
> > only have one right now...smile...Val ;-)
> >
> >
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