CZJ - Czech sign language: SKOLA (school) - video

[Shane Ó hEorpa]

Tomas,

A wee note here - it does not matter if one is born deaf or not - there are
thousands of born-deaf signers who are not good with their signed languages
- we have to be VERY careful - there are many non-deaf signers who are very
good with their signed languages.

For instance, I have collected so many old NISL signs from non-deaf signers
(some of them have deaf grandparents, some have deaf parents, some have deaf
uncles/aunts etc who went to the deaf schools in Belfast) - that is how I
got to identify the history of NISL - a very large influx of Old ASL into
NISL in the 1890s and all that.

:-)

And some of my tutors (at primary schools) are non-deaf, teaching NISL or
ISL to the kids there :-)

Shane of Belfast



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[mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] On Behalf Of Tomáš Klapka
Sent: 19 August 2005 10:57
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Subject: Re: [sw-l] CZJ - Czech sign language: SKOLA (school) - video

Hi Charles

IMO it depends...

People often sign SKOLA twice and so do I. Some people can sign it once in a
hurry and it is enough, because there is no other czech sign which can be
confused with it.
Signer on the video is famous for his signed czech, so he doesn't always
sign as deaf-born. You can see him articulate the word "skola" so I think he
signs the sign threetimes because he signs it as long as long is the
duration of the word articulation (that's my opinion).


Generally - In signed czech language I often see that the number of moves
corresponds with the number of syllabels of the gloss (articulated) word
(skola has two syllables... sko-la).
(I dont like it, but many hearing people do it /counting me - smile/)

I haven't noticed there is some difference in the number of moves between
nouns, verbs or other words in Czech sign language.
Some signs have different meanings if you do one more or one less move, but
it changes the whole meaning and not the type of word.
For example:

KONEC (FINISH, END, TO FINISH, TO END, ENDING, END OF ...)


NEMOC, NEMOCNY, STONAT (ILL, SICK, TO BE SICK, DISEASE)

(This is funny, because it is the same as ASL sign NAME ;o)

If you do the contact threetimes it is still ILL, or SICK, but I think it
would be signed by hearing, because it corresponds with the number of
syllables in the word NEMOCNY (ne-moc-ny)
And I think sometimes it could be signed repeatedly to put the accent on the
sign but i think it has to correspond with the facial expression too.

Tomas

Notice: Sometimes it is difficult to discuss SL questions for us, because we
are both hearing and we have SL as second or third language. I think deaf
people would answer these questions better than we.
We would like to have CZJ native signers interested in SW here in the list,
but not everybody can speak english and not everybody is interested in SW
yet. It is a time question ;o) We work on it.

Charles Butler wrote: 
Looking at video, he moves his hand up 3 times. 
 
ASL consistently does twice for a noun, does Czech do 3 times?
 
I added this to Czech SignBank as skola_4.
 
Charles