CZJ - Czech sign language: SKOLA (school) - video

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
August 22, 2005

I have not seen the video for SKOLA yet, but in regards to double or  
triple movement...If it means the same thing and it is a matter of  
style or variation of signing from one person to the next, then our  
rule is to write less, not more...so write the movement two  
times...by writing the movement two times, we are saying "repeat" the  
movement...We do not need another kind of repeat symbol...If another  
person signs it three times instead of two times, they will still be  
able to read the sign in a written document...the simpler the better  
for everyday use...

Val ;-)

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On Aug 22, 2005, at 10:50 AM, Martin Novak wrote:

> Hello Tomas, Honza, Charles and everybody.
>
> Im just here after 4 month sleeping. I founded very interest  
> discussion about
> Czech sign SKOLA (school). I had same problem with making first  
> sign CZECH
> (Val helped to create me it by video show of one deaf person). Some  
> people
> began disagree with three times moving hand. I know that so much of  
> people
> use twice.
> I thought its not important, because Stokoe notation put only sign  
> "repeat"
> and its end. I know not every people use same multiple hand  
> movement (not
> important if it is native speaker or hearing people). There is no
> regulation..  Is possible put to sign that hand movement can be  
> repeted 2 or
> 3 times (in one sign) and not create two independent sign ?
>
> I know sign SKOLA (school) is used with twice hand movement because  
> it have
> two syllables sko-la and now Im suprised that somebody use three times
> movement.
>
> Honza: Why do you think that Vaclav Ptacek is no deaf ? He attended  
> normal
> oral school, so he speak as hearing person. Maybe you dont know  
> that his
> parents are deaf and he have deaf daughter :-).
>
> Martin from Czech
>
>
>
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:35:41 +0200, Honza wrote
>
>> Hi Tomas and Charles,
>>
>> Tomas: Vaclav Ptacek is not deaf but he is the most famous teacher
>> of signED language in Czech Rep...
>>
>> Charles: thanks for improving sign school. I have to ask others how
>> many times it should be signed, but most people sign it two times.
>> As I know there is no rules for nouns and werbs. Mostly both are
>> signed twice. Only werb - if it is like -ing it is signed more
>> times. But in general all can sign more or less times if you feel
>> you need to.
>>
>> Honza
>>
>> Charles Butler wrote:
>>
>>
>>> skola_4Looking at video, he moves his hand up 3 times.
>>>
>>> ASL consistently does twice for a noun, does Czech do 3 times?
>>>
>>> I added this to Czech SignBank as skola_4.
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>> */Tomáš Klapka <Tomas.Klapka at ruce.cz>/* wrote:
>>>
>>>     Sign SKOLA (school).
>>>     Signer's name is Vaclav Ptacek and he tought me SL ;-) He is  
>>> deaf.
>>>
>>>     Tomáš
>>>
>>>
>
>