AW: AW: [sw-l] Czech Manual Alphabet - sign for S

[Honza]

Hi Val, Stefan and everybody.

yes, especially in letter S depends on how one really signs it...
there is no other sign with the same handshapes and just with a 
different rotations of hands in czech sign language.
also the sign as on foto is recognised as letter S.

Honza


Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:

>Hi Valerie and all - 
>
>"So the Czech SignPuddle's fingerspelling writing for the letter S (in  
>SignPuddle),  is probably based more on how one really signs it, I  
>suspect...but this demonstration photo is beautiful, Stefan! I had  
>trouble doing this position smile...I am a foreigner to this  
>language, clearly....Val ;-)" 
>
>
>For me a quite different point is much more in my focus right now - just
>think of this attached photo not of any kind of meaningful sign - but just
>as a still of any given position of two hands that happened to be seen this
>way. 
>
>Now it is your job as a movement -writer - to describe this - what you see
>and what you could document in a foto  - with a different notation system -
>especially SignWriting. 
>
>What I am interested in is to give anybody including myself the chance to
>write what I see - if it works - wonderful - if not - ask Valerie - smile! 
>
>So the other point might be to comunicate about how a specific sign is meant
>to be performed. Even therefor a nice easy to understand - distinct -
>lexical performance may be helpful - 
>
>Of course during the fluent performance you will "co-sign" and vary your
>sign according to the "neighbour-signs" --- 
>
>So the question will be in this case - is the SW - transcription of this
>attached "sign" documented in the foto - following the rules?? 
>
>I think so - smile. 
>
>Question number two. What about Czech fingerspelling - is there a sign like
>the one documented in the foto - or do they a quite similar sign - and if so
>- what would it look like?? 
>
>Stefan ;-) 
>
>... and what are your two letters... p l e a se -- ;-)) 
>
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>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>[mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. August 2005 17:05
>An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>Betreff: Re: AW: [sw-l] Czech Manual Alphabet - sign for S
>
>SignWriting List
>August 30, 2005
>
>Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:
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>>Attached you find my photo and my SW-transcription -
>>What do you think? Change hands?
>>Stefan ;-))
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>Hello Honza, everyone in the Czech Republic, and Stefan, Ingvild...
>Great photo, Stefan (see attached)...
>
>And the Czech SignPuddle is very big now...congrats to all of you!
>
>Regarding writing fingerspelling in SignWriting...
>
>There are two ways to write it...
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>1. Demonstration fingerspelling, like the attached photo - the way  
>hearing people are usually taught to fingerspell
>2. Fast Fingerspelling handshapes that happen while fingerspelling at  
>speed
>
>The latter is what I chose for writing ASL fingerspelling. The ASL  
>Fingerspelling Keyboard in SignWriter DOS and Java, for example, is  
>based on how the hand looks when you fingerspell quickly in ASL. You  
>cannot get your hands into perfect positions at all times, like  
>demonstration fingerspelling does...
>
>So the Czech SignPuddle's fingerspelling writing for the letter S (in  
>SignPuddle),  is probably based more on how one really signs it, I  
>suspect...but this demonstration photo is beautiful, Stefan! I had  
>trouble doing this position smile...I am a foreigner to this  
>language, clearly....Val ;-)
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