# Surface symbols

CWren at DOE.K12.GA.US CWren at DOE.K12.GA.US
Thu Dec 15 18:58:20 UTC 2005

Your pictures didn't come thru, but the way I see it/sign it most often
both hands ARE moving together, down and slightly forward, just like the
movement in 'congratulate'  that is the open arrow, right?  The variation
with only the top hand moving down and 'smacking' the lower hand is also
used here.

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Cherie Wren
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Re: [sw-l] Surface symbols

I think the problem is the arrow. With the open arrowhead, it means
that the two hands move down together.

I propose these:

English_5 with hands moving toward the body

English_6 with the dominant hand grasping twice with a downward motion

Thanks,

Stuart
On Dec 15, 2005, at 12:26, CWren at doe.k12.ga.us wrote:

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> We use several different variations here...  the top 'open C' hand
> moving down twice onto the lower flat hand, the single pull pack with
> both hands moving together: both  are used, but more common is sort of
> a double shake...  I had to sign it several times to figure out that
> it actually moves down and =forward= a little.  Would I use the
> diagonal plane symbols for that, or not because it could be understood
> without them? Val. I like your variation.  I can see both handshapes
> clearly.  If the grasp symbol is used, you wouldn't need the surface
> symbol, right?  The 'old' spellings had the grasp symbol, but they had
> the two handshapes overlapping...  that's why I thought the surface
> symbol might be better in that instance.
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> Philippe in Iowa, USA, wrote:
> I noticed the arrow seems not right since I don?t move my hand down
> for English.  I move my hand toward to myself.  The first English
> spelling with correct arrow symbol is correct.  Make sense?
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> Hi Philip!
> Great to get your feedback. Yes. You agree with our Deaf DAC
> members...they wrote the first two signs in the attached diagram...the
> second sign is another variation...it shows the right hand moving down
> twice onto the left hand...I have seen that variation in some parts of
> the US...but you are right that the first one seems to be the most
> commonly used...moving back towards the chest
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> Cherie comes from Georgia...maybe in Georgia they move down with both
> hands? smile...There are different ways that signs are signed...but
> usually one writing starts to become the standard way to write the
> sign...For right now, we are writing different variations and placing
> them in the SignPuddle...that way we can discuss the different
> variations easily on the SignWriting List...
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> Have you ever seen the second variation?
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