[sw-l] brother and sister

Sandy Fleming sandy at FLEIMIN.DEMON.CO.UK
Fri Feb 4 10:08:26 UTC 2005

Thanks, Adam.

There's no reason why I shouldn't supply a feature for both formats (this
sort of thing is easy compared to providing "proper" signs).

I wonder if you could give me a SignWritten example of (818) 555-1234 so I
can get a better idea of how it will look? There's no rush.

Sometimes it seems to us foreigners that every US phone number has 555 in
it - and then when you actually go to the US, it turns out that none of them
do  :)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> [mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu]On Behalf Of Adam Frost
> Sent: 03 February 2005 22:30
> To: Sign List
> Subject: RE: [sw-l] brother and sister
> Hi Sandy,
> You had the question about telephone number in ASL. Well, there
> are two ways. The way that you discribed about one digit at a
> time is one. The other way (which is the more ASL educated way)
> is to do numbers by pairs. But if there is an odd number, the
> first number is done solo. It is hard to explain by words, so
> here are some examples. 555-1234 would be done 5, 55, 12, 34. If
> you were to do an area code, it would be treated as it's own set
> of numbers. So (818) 555-1234 would be done 8, 18, 5, 55, 12, 34.
> This is the patteren for any combination of numbers in ASL. I
> hope this answers your question.
> Adam
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Sandy Fleming" <sandy at FLEIMIN.DEMON.CO.UK>
> Date: 02/02/05 11:55 PM
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Subject: RE: [sw-l] brother and sister
> Hi Val!
> > So why not make your new computer program just for BSL for now? You may
> > have fewer headaches! You should see the beautiful signed languages of
> > the middle east and far east...some of them are enormously different
> > than ASL and BSL!
> Actually, I'm just writing it for ASL in the first instance. The
> reason for
> this is that SSS-US is available. SSS-GB isn't!
> Now that I've spent some time working with SSS-US I don't think it will be
> too difficult to create an SSS for BSL.
> Talking of which, the SSS-US has a couple of mysterious aspects of the
> choice of handshape to illustrate in the document I'd like to ask about...
> Firstly there's the question of the rotation field. Sometimes
> this is given
> as rotation 01 and sometimes as rotation 03, but I don't see what's
> different about the handshapes illustrated. At first I thought
> this must be
> a mistake, but then I came to the point in programming where I had to know
> whether the fingers changed position in a handshape when the fill changed,
> or whether the finger positions stayed still as the fill changed. I was
> amazed to find that in the SSS-US the finger positions change if the
> rotation is 01 but not if it's 03. So there's a rotation property in the
> SSS-US that's very useful in programming, but I don't know why - it just
> seems like magaic to me! What is the rotation property and why did you
> choose to show some handshapes with a different rotation from others? Very
> useful, but mysterious!
> The other thing is that for most handshapes you've chosen to
> represent them
> as fill 02, but there are several which are shown as fill 01. My guess is
> that the fill 01 handshapes are the numbers 1 to 10 in ASL and
> you've chosen
> to illustrate them in the SSS-US as they would be written for numbers. My
> question is, how would this translate to other SSS's? In BSL,a s you know,
> numbers vary notoriously between dialects. What would I do for an SSS-GB?
> Would it matter if I simply ignored this principle?
> On the question of numbers, can someone tell me how telephone numbers are
> signed in ASL? In BSL we simply sign one digit at a time on the
> right hand,
> moving the hand left to right (from the expressive viewpoint) for each
> digit. Is it the same in ASL? I ask because I'd like to provide a feature
> for typing long numbers easily - but I need to know how these are
> signed in
> ASL to do it.
> Sandy
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