AW: AW: [sw-l] the mini-conference or seminar in Brussels
Stefan Wöhrmann
stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE
Sat Feb 12 06:39:33 UTC 2005
Hi Charles, Sara, Kathleen,
well – the two writings are to be performed the same – palm of hand facing
the signer is shown in both spellings! I agree though with Charles that
most of the time I would prefer the wall –plane perspective ( that is no
gap) if the hand is parallel to the body.
If we write the same orientation from top-down view (floor plane) you will
pay attention to the gap at the knuckle – joint.
Floor-plane presentation is very rarely needed as long as the hand is
parallel to the body – but as soon as the hand moves out in an angle you are
happy to be able to switch to the floor plane presentation – there would be
no other way to indicate that otherwise.
So both spellings describe the movement of the video – unless you accept
that the signer moves his lips in order to say (voiceless) Bruss.. But in
order to understand that you would have to be familiar with that sign ;-) -
So I prefer to add the Mundbilder following the general idea: We write,
what we see --- but we can only see what we know of ( smile)
Stefan ;-)
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Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
[mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Charles Butler
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Februar 2005 21:25
An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
Betreff: RE: AW: [sw-l] the mini-conference or seminar in Brussels
The two writings below, I see, as different entirely in orientation. The
first shows the back of the hand at the top. The second shows the two hands
facing the reader, so face down, which would make the second one off by 90
degrees. I wouldn't read the first one as "bird's eye perspective as the
hands are seen from the edge. My automatic reasoning for "edge on", is
looking from the "edge of the hands", not from above. This is from the long
years when we couldn't show hands sticking "out" at all, and the "space"
indicating "sticking out", for me, is ONLY used when the hands stick out
perpendicularly from the body, not from above.
The second is the face on version, and all hands facing the body should have
the same appearance, unfilled hands, not 'half and half'.
My opinion.
Charles Butler
Kasterlinden Bilinguaal <katjesaar at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
Hi Stefan and the list
I vote for...sign b) Brussel_3
<http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BE-nl/dict/sl/Brussel_3.png> , because
by at sign, you ook at in bird-perspective, mean I.
(on http <http://gebaren.ugent.be/> ://gebaren.ugent.be, you can see sign
Gebaar voor: "Brussel" <http://gebaren.ugent.be/zoeken.php?sign=entry42901>
but in fact, I don't go agreement with that real :s)
But I doubt still if we must look at to our hands from our eyes, or how they
stand compared with our body...
What thinks you?
We must thank you, that you wanted receive us! We find your class (read
children:)) really sweet, vigorously, they do signs beautiful...
we found very sad that we left rapidly...
Finely that the children found also nice... :D
Nice of Linda that she wanted give our new work:) but I think that we
Belgium missing too rapidly :)
Give them hughs, kisses of our:)
The CD's, after you have turned off us, we will drink still something and
then we have run to
our hotel chamber, to examine your CD's:)
It was beautiful really, to see,t was wonderfull and beautiful, I have
never seen it. We did always watch, watch, watch,...:) we will show it to
the children of our school certainly.
Greetings
Sara
>From: "Stefan Wvhrmann"<stefanwoehrmann at GEBAERDENSCHRIFT.DE>
>Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>Subject: AW: [sw-l] the mini-conference or seminar in Brussels
>Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 18:05:44 +0100
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>Hi Sara, Kathleen and all
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>Here is another input for discussing spelling ...
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>Have fun ...
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>Stefan;-))
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>It is fun to have met you since now it is something different to read a
>message from you! Thanks again for your visit at our school. When Danny
and
>Tamuna returned from their short trip Linda, Eduard and the others could
not
>stop but telling them vivaciously about your visit. Linda still regrets
that
>you could not switch jobs with the other guy at my class - ;-)
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>Have you had an opportunity to look at the CDs?
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>Von: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>[mailto:owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] Im Auftrag von Kasterlinden
>Bilinguaal
>Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Februar 2005 16:58
>An: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>Betreff: RE: [sw-l] the mini-conference or seminar in Brussels
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>Hello list,
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>I vote for Brussels, of course :)
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>Greetings
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>Sara
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> >From: "Shane Gilchrist S
hEorpa"<shane.gilchrist.oheorpa at francismaginn.org>
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> >Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
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> >To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
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> >Subject: RE: [sw-l] the mini-conference or seminar in Brussels
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> >Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 17:34:19 -0000
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> >Everyone,
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> >Excellent - I have spoken to Stefan W - and hes up for it (thats if he
can
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> >make it)
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> >Kathleen and I will go ahead.
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> >We ll get back to you on this
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> >Shane
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> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > From: owner-sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu [mailto:owner-sw-
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> > > l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu] On Behalf Of Ingvild Roald
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> > > Sent: 10 February 2005 17:12
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> > > To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
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> > > Subject: Re: [sw-l] the mini-conference or seminar in Brussels
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> > > I vote for Brussels, but right after the Maastrich meeting. Those of
us
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> > > who travel will have to book rooms somewhere anyway.
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> > > Ingvild
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