[sw-l] Use of symbols in Sign Bank

[Bill Reese]

Charles,

I think that's what's being discussed when talking about Unicode - that
the IMWA needs to be stable.  This is one of the issues that would need
to be worked out.   Also, as in anything, there can be exceptions that
are accounted for through translation.  Meaning that if/when there is a
conversion to binary, that the conversion could handle some of the
rearranging.

Obviously, it would be good to log these issues one way or another.

Bill


Charles Butler wrote:

> 01-005-18, Flat Split Center
>
> This seems to be the "Live long and prosper" or "Shaddai" sign from
> old Hebrew sign language without the thumb.  Where would I find this
> sign with the thumb out?  This would be shape 51 in the -005 series
> unless it were to be put in as a variant of 005-18.  There is a
> genetic marker, oddly enough, as to which humans can do this handshape
> with ease, just like rolling one's tongue.
>
> This brings up a point.  If we have a set "order" for the SSS, what
> happens when a new handshape, by logic, really ought to be put
> "between" two other signs that are already in the system, like the
> "Shaddai" sign?  If the SSS is to be logical, we'd need to renumber
> the signs constantly any time a new handshape is found that fits
> between two handshapes already in the catalogue, like this particular
> handshape, the 01-005-18a, rather than as 01-005-51, which shows order
> of discovery, not logical placement.
>
> Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>
>     I am confused.  I'm looking at the SignBank symbol list and don't
>     understand these differences:
>
>     01-001-007, Index Bent, version 1
>     01-001-008, Index Bent, version 2
>
>     Can I get a minimal pair here to show the difference between the
>     two symbols, they look identical on the screen.  If I am choosing
>     one or the other to create a sign, which do I use?
>
>     01-002-10, Index Middle Cross
>     01-002-12, Index Bent over Middle
>
>     Is 12 used frequently?  I found 01-002-12 being used in the sign
>     for "ready" in the ASL SignPuddle, which is usually using an "R"
>     handshape in ASL with middle over the index rather than index over
>     the middle.  Do we have a source or videotape to back up the usage
>     of 01-002-12 instead?
>
>     01-005-18, Flat Split Center
>
>     This seems to be the "Live long and prosper" or "Shaddai" sign
>     from old Hebrew sign language without the thumb.  Where would I
>     find this sign with the thumb out?  This would be shape 51 in the
>     -005 series unless it were to be put in as a variant of 005-18.
>     There is a genetic marker, oddly enough, as to which humans can do
>     this handshape with ease, just like rolling one's tongue.
>
>     01-005-36 Curlicue
>     01-10-04 Thumb Out.
>     01-10-11 Fist
>
>     Is this a matter of degree for the thumb "out".  The curlicue
>     looks like a hyperextended thumb but if one simply moves from the
>     position of "thumb to side" ASL-A, to "fist" (ASL-S), to 01-10-04
>     "thumb to front" to 01-005-36, I'm not sure I'm understanding the
>     critical differences.
>
>     Inquring minds want to know.
>
>     Charles Butler
>
>
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