[sw-l] FINGER MOVEMENT Alternating

[Valerie Sutton]

The sign for BIRD is using Hinge Movement - HInge Movement of the Thumb 
and HInge Movement of the Index Finger that are happening 
simultaneously - at the same time they are moving and hinging towards 
each other...They are both closing...That is not what I mean when I say 
the term Alternating...I guess it is a matter of terminology...BIRD is 
a Hinge movement twice, not an Alternating, like TYPE or SNOW or 
WAIT...Alternating is like a fluttering of the fingers, and it can be 
with two or more fingers...So you are writing the sign for BIRD 
correctly...it is only the terminology that is confusing us!  Val ;-)

PS. The reason that I do not feel that BIRD is alternating is because 
both the Thumb and Index are closing at the same time...to alternate, 
one would have to open while the other one closes...

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On Mar 1, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Charles Butler wrote:

> Then how would would show when the thumb and the forefinger actually 
> do alternate?  That's what I do with "bird".  It's NOT the forefinger 
> moving alone, but both the thumb and forefinger moving.  Are you 
> saying you can't show the thumb moving alternately with a finger if 
> that's what you are actually doing?  I'm confused.
>  
> Charles
>
>
> Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
> This is not Alternating Movement, Charles...This is Hinge
>  Movement...big difference!! Of course HInge Movement can be used with
>  Thumbs!! But Alternating means that one finger goes one direction at
> the same time that the other finger goes the other direction...Hinge
>  Movement and Alternating Movement are two different things...This
>  thumb, in your example, is like a Hinge on a door and it is not
>  Alternating with any other finger...
>
>
>
> > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/png name=pistol.png; x-unix-mode=0666
>
>
>
> Val ;-)
>
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>
>
> On Mar 1, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>
> > I don't understand why the "thumb" cannot be considered a "finger"
>  > when writing alternating finger movement, unless you have some other
>  > way to write movement, compare pistol, and bird.
> >  
> >    bird,  pistol.  Both of these would not be
>  > misunderstood with the
> >  
> >  
> > <02-02-008-01-01-05.png> symbol, as how else could you move the index
>  > and the thumb together twice. I'm definitely confused...... Charles
>  > Butler
> >
> >
> > Valerie Sutton wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > March 1st, 2005
> >
> > FINGER MOVEMENT Alternating
> > Alternating Finger Movement Symbols can only be used when there are 
> at
> > least two fingers doing the alternating (nothing to do with the
> > thumb)...
> >
> > Can you see why this sign cannot be written this way? What do you 
> think
> > the writer meant to write? smile...Try writing it again and post your
> > new writing to the List...This will be fun!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=FingerMovement16.gif;
>  > x-mac-type=47494666; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-creator=3842494D
> >
> >
> >
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