Research into Digital Representations of Sign Language

Tue Oct 11 22:08:13 UTC 2005

Hi Shane,

That sounds great, I haven't heard from Trevor yet, but when are you down next?
 we should definately arrange something.  It would be great to discuss research
with you both.  And I would love to know when you have the conference next year,
it would be great to submit something to it from these studies they should be
really interesting.

Incase you didn't get my txt number earlier it is 07984-695-835

definately get in touch, it would be fab to meet

take care

Saduf

Quoting Shane O hEorpa - UU <oheorpa-s at ulster.ac.uk>:

> Saduf,
> 
> i'm based in Belfast but i'm usually in London once a month or two - 
> maybe i can meet up with you and Trevor - Trevor is a cool guy.
> 
> im quite glad that youre quite interested in doing some research on 
> Val's signwriting - there are many notation systems - but we are trying 
> to make Val's signwriting made available to everyone - thats why im 
> having one of my senior tutors trained in this - hopefully with some 
> help from our extraordinary Val and our lovely Ingvild - that way Paula 
> can go all over the UK and Ireland training people how to use 
> SignWriting and all that! :-)
> 
> If u can afford it, I suggest you to go and visit Kathleen & Sara's 
> school in Brussels - they're SUCH lovely teachers (Kathleen non-deaf 
> Sara deaf - i mistook Kathleen to be deaf!) and they use SignWriting in 
> their school teaching SignWriting to the kids there - before my visit 
> there, I was sceptic about the system - but after that, im a convert!!! 
> :-)
> 
> We hope to have the European Sign Writers Organisation conference next 
> year or so...the possible location is University College London in 
> Central London - its not decided yet.
> 
> Shane
> 
> 
> On 11 Oct 2005, at 01:43, Saduf Naqvi wrote:
> 
> > Hi Val,
> >
> > thank you for all the links, I shall be sitting with a big mug of 
> > coffee working
> > through them all in the morning, (its 1:30am in the UK so will be off 
> > to bed in
> > a bit)
> >
> > I have been reading about SignWriting and it is a fascinating system, 
> > I have to
> > admit when looking at the notations, even without prior knowledge of 
> > the system
> > I can work most of them out, the visual connection is very strong and 
> > I can see
> > how this can translate well with the signing community.  People have 
> > spoken very
> > highly of it, and I believe it can be used in many places here in the 
> > UK
> > (further research suggestions for my work!)
> >
> > I will probably write again in the morning, after I absorb some 
> > signwriting
> > information!
> >
> > take care
> >
> > Saduf
> >
> >
> > Quoting Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>:
> >
> >> SignWriting List
> >> October 10, 2005
> >>
> >> On Oct 10, 2005, at 3:31 PM, Saduf Naqvi wrote:
> >>> Don't worry I didn't take offence, I completely understand your
> >>> concern, and
> >>> welcome your feedback.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hello Stuart, Saduf and Everyone -
> >> No problems, Stuart...There are no worries from me either...I agree
> >> that it is easy to mis-use the terms American Sign Language, or
> >> British Sign Language, when those two terms do not just mean the
> >> signs used within the US, Canada and Great Britain, but rather refer
> >> to the grammars of those languages as well...The terms should be used
> >> to refer to the native signed languages of the area, and not just
> >> glossing email!!  But the glosses of individual signs, even though
> >> they may not produce a true ASL or BSL, still have stimulated some
> >> people to learn some SignWriting symbols...so it has some value...and
> >> I know that in the future, we will have email that can be typed
> >> directly in SignWriting symbols, just like I am typing this English
> >> with symbols directly for this email message...but even then, not
> >> every typist will know the good grammar of BSL...that will take time
> >> to learn how to type in the grammar of naturally-evolved BSL...
> >>
> >> So Saduf...I have not been reading every email because I just got
> >> back from an appointment but in summary, before the advent of
> >> computers, we had a group of Deaf people here in California where I
> >> live, who worked with me, and they were mostly native ASL signers, or
> >> at least grew up in residential Deaf schools so their signing was
> >> their first mode of communication...and we wrote signs by hand
> >> because there were no computers and we had a real writing system
> >> directly in the movements of signed languages, without using any
> >> English glosses or any spoken language at all...
> >>
> >> And in Spain, they have a novel written in Spanish Sign Language in
> >> SignWriting without any spoken language at all in the entire book, so
> >> I believe deeply that we have a true writing system, even if it is
> >> used differently in different places around the world...SignWriting
> >> is used in Germany to teach both signs and spoken German with
> >> success, and it is used in Brazil too, and in France, Belgium,
> >> Nicaragua, Norway...oh...gosh...so many wonderful places...there is
> >> no way I can tell you all the projects in one message...
> >>
> >> Recently I had a great phone conversation with Pastor Dettloff from
> >> the Deaf Church in Michigan, where they use SignWriitng in their
> >> Bible Study...and they LOVE SignPuddle because different church
> >> members can add their own signs to the dictionary online...and they
> >> have some people in their church who really read
> >> SignWriting...without it they could not read the Bible passages
> >> apparently, so that is nice to know the tool is useful....
> >>
> >> Here are some of the SignPuddles online:
> >>
> >> 39 SignPuddle Dictionaries
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle
> >>
> >> 1. American Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-US
> >>
> >> 2. Arabic-Nations Sign Languages
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-AE
> >>
> >> 3. Australian Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-AU
> >>
> >> 4. Brazilian Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BR
> >>
> >> 5. British Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-GB
> >>
> >> 6. Catalonian Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-ES-ct
> >>
> >> 7. Colombian Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-CO
> >>
> >> 8. Czech Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-CZ
> >>
> >> 9. Danish Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-DK
> >>
> >> 10. Ethiopian Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-ET
> >>
> >> 11. Finnish Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-FI
> >>
> >> 12. Flemish Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BE-nl
> >>
> >> 13. French Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-FR
> >>
> >> 14. French-Swiss Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-CH-fr
> >>
> >> 15. German Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-DE
> >>
> >> 16. German-Swiss Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-CH-de
> >>
> >> 17. Greek Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-GR
> >>
> >> 18. International Signs
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-WO
> >>
> >> 19. Irish Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-IE
> >>
> >> 20. Italian Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-IT
> >>
> >> 21. Italian-Swiss Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-CH-it
> >>
> >> 22. Japanese Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-JP
> >>
> >> 23. Malaysian Sign Languages
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-MY
> >>
> >> 24. Maltese Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-MT
> >>
> >> 25. Mexican Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-MX
> >>
> >> 26. Netherlands Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-NL
> >>
> >> 27. Nicaraguan Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-NI
> >>
> >> 28. Nigerian Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-NG
> >>
> >> 29. Northern Ireland Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-NorthernIreland
> >>
> >> 30. Norwegian Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-NO
> >>
> >> 31. Philippine Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-PH
> >>
> >> 32. Polish Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-PL
> >>
> >> 33. Portuguese Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-PT
> >>
> >> 34. Quebec Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-CA-fr
> >>
> >> 35. Signuno-Esperanto Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-EO
> >>
> >> 36. Spanish Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-ES
> >>
> >> 37. Swedish Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-SE
> >>
> >> 38. Taiwan Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-TW
> >>
> >> 39. Walloon Sign Language
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BE-fr
> >>
> >>
> >> Instruction
> >>
> >> How to Use SignMaker
> >> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/help
> >>
> >> How to Use SignPuddle
> >> http://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs3/
> >> sw0226-SignPuddle-May2005.pdf
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Miss Saduf Naqvi,
> > S.Naqvi at gold.ac.uk
> > Research Student,
> > Goldsmiths College - University of London,
> > New Cross,
> > London,
> > SE14 6NW,
> > 020-7919-7462
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Miss Saduf Naqvi,
S.Naqvi at gold.ac.uk
Research Student,
Goldsmiths College - University of London,
New Cross,
London,
SE14 6NW,
020-7919-7462