SOFTWARE development, symbolsets
Stuart Thiessen
sw at PASSITONSERVICES.ORG
Mon Oct 17 16:13:22 UTC 2005
Actually, Valerie, a simpler interim solution (until SW-Edit
programming is revived) is to do the symbol mapping that Steve
mentioned and use XSLT to transform a SW-Edit SWML to something that
SignPuddle can use. That will take time but not as much as
reprogramming for IMWA.
Besides, we need to be able to migrate SW-Edit files anyway to IMWA at
some point. We can't expect everyone to re-enter data when programs
change. That tends to block people from using any program because they
are afraid their data won't transfer to the next version.
Thanks,
Stuart
On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:19, Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
> October 17, 2005
>
> A better idea, if there is someone out there who wishes to do this, is
> to update the SWEdit program to accept the symbols of the IMWA, in a
> similar way to the way SignPuddle and SignBank do now...
>
> Of course, anyone who has created files in the old SWEdit would have
> to re-enter all their files with the new symbolset, but at least
> SWEdit would then be a working program that is keeping up with the
> current symbolset...rather than continuing to use the out-of-date
> SSS-2002.
>
> SignWriter Tiger, though, is another story. It has to be able to read
> the old files of SignWriter DOS and Java, and so it has no choice but
> to use the old SSS-1999 and SSS-1995. But the SSS-2002 was never used
> in SignWriter DOS or Java, so it is only SWEdit, I believe, that is
> using the SSS-2002 now...
>
> So the SSS-1995, SSS-1999 and the IMWA are the three actively used
> symbolsets...
>
> Val ;-)
>
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> On Oct 17, 2005, at 7:49 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>
>> Hi Stuart,
>>
>> The problem is that no one has gone thru the SSS-2002 and compared it
>> to the IMWA for a symbol by symbol mapping. The basic hand shapes
>> would be easy to complete. The additional symbols have changed
>> locations significantly. They would take quite a bit of time.
>>
>> Once we have the mapping, then we would need a conversion from the
>> SWML of SignEdit using the SSS-2002 to the SWML of SignPuddle using
>> the IMWA.
>> Neither step should be very complicated, but the time required to
>> complete it is prohibitive. I know neither Val nor I have the time to
>> do the mapping between the symbol sets. This would be a great
>> project, but it is not trivial.
>>
>> -Steve
>>
>> Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Isn't it in SWML though? Couldn't a XSLT be applied to SignEdit's
>>> SWML to transform it to something that can be imported into
>>> SignPuddle? Then they can clean up anything that was imported?
>>>
>>> Just a thought.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>> On Oct 17, 2005, at 7:22, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Kathleen,
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, SignEdit does not use the IMWA. It uses an earlier
>>>> symbol set. SSS-2002 I believe.
>>>>
>>>> If he wants to use SignPuddle, he will have to start over.
>>>>
>>>> Only SignBank and SignPuddle use the IMWA. I'm hoping that other
>>>> application will start soon.
>>>>
>>>> -Steve
>>>>
>>>> Kasterlinden Bilinguaal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Val,
>>>>>
>>>>> I sent the good news to Damien and he asked me if SignEdit and
>>>>> Signpuddle are compatible.. he has made a lot of signs in SignEdit
>>>>> and I think he`s worried he`ll have to do it all over again ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings Kathleen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> --- --
>>>>> From: /"Damien ilmh" <damien.huvelle at ilmh.be>/
>>>>> To: /"Kasterlinden Bilinguaal" <katjesaar at hotmail.com>/
>>>>> Subject: /Re: Re: [sw-l] good news - another two Belgian
>>>>> schools
>>>>> supporting SW/
>>>>> Date: /Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:54:39 +0200/
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Kathleen,
>>>>> at the moment, I mostly use SignEdit. The signs that
>>>>> already are
>>>>> on the SignPuddle BE-Fr page are from Bruno Sonnemans, a deaf
>>>>> colleague who was present at the conference this summer at
>>>>> Kasterlinden. He and Thierry, another deaf colleague, are at
>>>>> the
>>>>> moment collecting data and the dictionary already includes more
>>>>> than 600 signs. Nevertheless, as they are only at the beginning
>>>>> and not so sure whether the transcriptions are correct, they
>>>>> also
>>>>> use SignEdit at the moment. I know they are impressed by the
>>>>> Flemish Signpuddle and borrowing signs from there too.
>>>>> But I do not know whether SignEdit and SignPuddle are
>>>>> compatible...
>>>>> I'll ask them.
>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Damien
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> *From:* Kasterlinden Bilinguaal
>>>>> <mailto:katjesaar at hotmail.com>
>>>>> *To:* damien.huvelle at ilmh.be
>>>>> <mailto:damien.huvelle at ilmh.be>
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2005 3:17 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* FW: Re: [sw-l] good news - another two Belgian
>>>>> schools supporting SW
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Damien,
>>>>>
>>>>> while waiting for news from my colleagues about a first
>>>>> meeting I thought I'd inform you about the website of
>>>>> Valerie
>>>>> Sutton. I don't know if you know about it or use it
>>>>> already...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BE-fr
>>>>>
>>>>> If you look at this link you'll see there are already some
>>>>> sings in there: I don't know who made them :s If you have
>>>>> any
>>>>> questions on how to use Signpuddle please ask ;) And if
>>>>> there
>>>>> are signs which are the same in Flemish Sign Language you
>>>>> can
>>>>> save a lot of work and copy them from the Flemish
>>>>> Signpuddle ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you have any questions, please ask ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings Kathleen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> --- --
>>>>> From: /"Valerie Sutton" <sutton at signwriting.org>/
>>>>> Reply-To: /sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu/
>>>>> To: /sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu/
>>>>> Subject: /Re: [sw-l] good news - another two Belgian
>>>>> schools supporting SW/
>>>>> Date: /Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:48:36 -0700/
>>>>> >SignWriting List
>>>>> >October 14, 2005
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Hello Shane, Kathleen and everyone -
>>>>> >This is great news. Thanks for telling us...;-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >We already have a SignPuddle set up for
>>>>> French-speaking
>>>>> Belgium:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Walloon Sign Language
>>>>> >http://signbank.org/signpuddle/sgn-BE-fr
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Feel free to start adding signs any time...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Val ;-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Oct 14, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Shane O hEorpa wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>Good news here.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>I was told that two Belgian deaf schools (french
>>>>> speaking) have >>decided to introduce
>>>>> Sign-Writing to its classroom teaching
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>It is IRSA at Uccle and another school in Liege.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Damien Huvel, a researcher of LSFB at Marie Haps, is
>>>>> behind the >>move - he was present at the
>>>>> ESWO Conference - with
>>>>> Thierry >>Haesenne's help - with extra
>>>>> support from our lovely
>>>>> Kathleen, they
>>>>> >> hope it will take off ground :-)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Very pleased - and good news for ESWO!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Shane (ESWO)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
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