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[rocha at ATLAS.UCPEL.TCHE.BR]

Valerie, Stuart, Steve,

   About the different possible ways to write the sign DEAF, I attach a
gif file with an interesting way to write that sign (SURDO, in
Brazilian sign language) that was recently posted on the web in Brazil.

      The webpage is http://www.culturasurda.com.br

   Perhaps some of us would suggest little modifications to that
representation, but it is essentially correct. And is a very
interesting demonstration of how people can represent in many different
ways one single sign.

   My conclusion is: the representation problem for SignWriting will not
be solved by technical arguments, only by common agreement. And that
demands time and good will.

  All the best,

  Antônio Carlos

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   All the best,

   Antônio Carlos

> SignWriting List
> April 15, 2006
>
> Steve Slevinski wrote:
>> I disagree that the ASL sign for "deaf" is simple to write.  There
>> are several varying standards to use when writing it and there are
>> issues with sorting....
>
> Hello Steve, Stuart and everyone!
> This is a very important conversation...and I can explain what is
> happening here...
>
> Steve, you are right that if you look at our messy writings and
> experimentations with spellings in SignPuddle, and if as a
> programmer, you are working with creating a computer program that
> sorts by SignSymbolSequence (SSS) and establishes SignSpelling
> Sequences, and the spelling you are trying to sort is a mess and
> needs to be cleaned - well that is not easy, that is for sure...from
> a programming point of view!
>
> But nonetheless, Stuart is right in another way...for all of the
> inconsistencies in our not-so-perfect spellings of that sign, most
> people read that sign immediately with little or no training...so the
> difference here is to define what we mean by EASY and USER...are they
> reading quickly, are they writing it themselves, or are they
> programming signspellings...all those users would look at that sign
> quite differently
>
> Stuart, I assume that for your study we need to see it through YOUR
> eyes...a skilled signwriter and a skilled signer who is Deaf or
> perhaps others who are in contact with Deaf people and really are
> skilled signers...is that right?
>
> Let me go into SignPuddle right now, and I will clean up those
> spellings of Deaf and then I will post them to the List and explain
> the different ways we can correctly write that sign within the
> general rules of SignWriting...you will find that it can be a little
> cleaner...although SignSpellings are not completely standardized yet,
> there are certain choices...
>
> Thanks to you both for your great messages!
>
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
> Valerie Sutton
> Sutton at SignWriting.org
>
> 1. SignWriting
> Read & Write Sign Languages
> http://www.SignWriting.org
>
> 2. SignBank
> Create Sign Language Databases
> http://www.SignBank.org
>
> 3. SignPuddle
> Create Sign Language Dictionaries
> http://www.SignPuddle.org
>
> 4. SignText
> Create Sign Language Documents
> http://www.SignBank.org/signpuddle/signtext
>
> 5. DanceWriting
> Read & Write Dance Movement
> http://www.DanceWriting.org
>
> 6. MovementWriting
> Read & Write All Body Movement
> http://www.MovementWriting.org
>
> SignWriting Literacy Project
> The DAC, Deaf Action Committee
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>
>
>


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Antônio Carlos da Rocha Costa
Escola de Informática
Coord. Prog. de Pós-grad. Informática
Universidade Católica de Pelotas
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