FRENCH-SWISS sign for CANCER

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
December 29, 2006

Hello Adam and Everyone!
This is a great discussion and I look forward to giving you some real  
concrete answers...

I am preparing the diagrams now, but it may take a little time so  
look at your email in about two hours...smile...

And thank you, Stefan, for bringing spelling issues up...it is always  
a blessing to discuss how to write signs...

and thanks to everyone for all your input and Anny for writing so much!

It is a good thing that Anny asked, because the finger direction was  
not the only thing in this case...there was also a different finger  
motion...

Val ;-)





On Dec 29, 2006, at 8:20 AM, Adam Frost wrote:

> I see what Anny is talking about with the handshape. The open  
> fingers seem to be switched. (ie The thumb is where the index seem  
> that it should be, and visa versa.) I know that this is the right  
> palm faceing, but I understand why Anny choose the handshape with  
> the fingers down. Because the thumbs were on the outside, not the  
> inside. Is that being read right, or is this handshape following  
> the hindge handshape rule that we talked about earlier this winter?
>
> Adam
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> On 12/29/06, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:  
> SignWriting List
> December 29, 2006
>
> Everyone -
> Let us follow the Spelling rules...If you wish to write both the
> opening and closing position in any sign, that is fine to write both
> handshapes...so this one would be ok, although for me, his open hand
> looked more like an L handshape because it was so wide...but this one
> is clear because both handshapes are there...Writing both handshapes
> is always the most accurate choice...
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> But if you are going to take away one handshape, then there are two
> Spelling Rules that guides which one should be taken away...
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> The first Spelling Rule is to always write the Position of Contact.
> Small Finger Movements have a Position of Contact too...it is the
> second position...the position where the fingers meet each other in
> contact...
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> But in this sign, since you feel the opening position is so
> important, then write BOTH positions. If you write the first position
> only, it does NOT mean the fingers are contacting in the end...
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> I will explain more soon...I will try to write the Spelling Rules
> better on the web too...I thought I had, but I can see now that more
> is needed...
>
> Val ;-)
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> On Dec 29, 2006, at 2:23 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
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> > I guess what i am missing now is the original open crab claw.  One
> > ends with the closed point, but cannot tell that that the hand
> > actually opens quite wide, I would end up reading this as a very
> > small open shut (like a g hand, not a big open curve).  Here is my
> > attempt, with a starting position also shown. (now cancer_5)
> >
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> >
> > Valerie Sutton < signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > December 28, 2006
> >
> > Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod wrote:
> > > who could help me write the sign for cancer....
> > > you can see the video on http://www.pisourd.ch/index.php?
> > > theme=dicocomplet
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> >
> > Hello Anny and everyone -
> >
> > The signer appears to me to be doing a Hinge Finger Motion, from the
> > Knuckle Joint, like the opening and closing of a door. Because the
> > signer has such amazing fingers...very flexible and big and almost
> > double-jointed...it is hard to see this. I can see why you might
> > think the movement was from the Middle Joint, but I believe, like
> > Shane mentioned, that the motion must be from the Knuckle Joint like
> > the sign for Crab in ASL...
> >
> > So if it were from the Middle Joint...those would have been dark  
> dots
> > like you wrote, Anny...but the Hinge Motion are those tiny little
> > arrows...
> >
> > Also, for me, it looked like he was touching his chest each time,  
> but
> > not Rubbing...Rub means continual-contact that never leaves the  
> chest
> > at all but he was doing a touch-touch-touch I believe...
> >
> > See attached illustration...my writing is in your French-Swiss
> > SignPuddle...
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