CASE vs SEE

[Steve Slevinski]

Another interesting system to include in this discussion might be Cued 
Speech.

Cued Speech doesn't pretend to be a sign language.  It is lip reading 
with primitive hand gestures to remove the guessing and confusion 
associated with lip reading.  It uses 8 hand shapes with 4 locations to 
represent the sounds of speech.

I think it would be really interesting to see Cued Speech written in 
SignWriting: mouth movements with visual cues.

-Steve


CWren at doe.k12.ga.us wrote:
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> SEE is a system that tries to include every _unit of meaning in 
> English_ into manual form initialized with the first letter of the 
> word as much as possible.  So the sentence "I am going home" would 
> have 5 signs, including a separate sign for "-ing".  I used to work 
> with a lady who used this system.  "Thanksgiving" --one sign in ASL-- 
> would be 4 signs in SEE= Thank, s, give, ing.  Its impossible to use 
> at normal conversational speeds, and ridiculously silly the way they 
> mangle some signs.  I'll try to do a true SEE sentence soon, and send 
> it to ya'll.  Signs are based on the  out of three rule.  If a word is 
> spelled the same and pronounced the same then it is signed the same 
> regardless of meaning.  So, I have a run in my hose, I want to run for 
> president, and my nose is running would all use the same sign for run.
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> There are a ton of other signed English code systems that try to 
> manually represent English, and SEE is not the worst, although its 
> close. THey were designed to teach Deaf kids English, but have been 
> usurped and people are trying to use them instead of a true language. 
>  So the kid sees nothing but these codes all day every day...  
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> CASE is true ASL signs, used in English word order.  Some people who 
> use this system will structure, some won't.  Many don't realize that 
> what they are signing doesn't make visual sense...  (I teach staff 
> here at the school a class designed to help them understand there is 
> such a thing as 'visual sense' )
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> PSE is also called contact language.  Its what is generally used when 
> hearing and Deaf come together.  Deaf folks move to more English word 
> order to accomodate the hearing person, and the hearing person moves 
> to more ASL-like signing --if they are able to. BIG IF-- to accomodate 
> the deaf.  Usually the deaf person ends up doing more accomodation 
> than the hearing person...
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> cherie
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> Cherie Wren
> GSD Staff Interpreter
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> Cave Spring, GA 30124
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> I am not that good with writing the mouthing, but it is "It rained 
> cats and dogs, yesterday" for SEE and "Yesterday, it rained really 
> hard" for CASE.
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> Adam
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> PS The restructuring is allowed for CASE because the English would not 
> make visual sense if it was kept as it was in SEE and it keeps the 
> same meaning. Just a little something that I am getting from my 
> interpreting classes right now. ;-)
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