AW: [sw-l] SignText Video Instruction in Quicktime

Wed Oct 18 20:40:05 UTC 2006

I would like that as well.

Stefan ;-)

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I would like that as well.

Stuart

On Oct 17, 2006, at 21:40, K.J. Boal wrote:

> Yes, I'd like that.
> Kelly Jo
>
>
>> From: "Valerie Sutton" <sutton at signwriting.org>
>> Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] SignText Video Instruction in Quicktime
>> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:25:00 -0700
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> October 17, 2006
>>
>> Cherie -
>> You are doing beautifully! All you need is a three-day workshop with  
>> me and your questions would be answered. Maybe we can arrange for you 
>>  and a few others on your staff to travel to San Diego to study with  
>> me...
>>
>> But having said that, you are one of the most skilled with SignText  
>> in the world right now, Cherie, and I am grateful for your wonderful  
>> documents!!
>>
>> On another side note, the SW List software (the software that posts  
>> our messages) is not doing well. I noticed that members of the  
>> TeachASL List are having the same problem. I have tried to post  
>> around 6 times this morning and none of my emails have reached the  
>> List...if this one does, it is the first to succeed and it is quite  
>> frustrating!
>>
>> So maybe I should start a private List just for SignWriting and  
>> SignText instruction? and people will have to write to me privately  
>> to sign up, and we can send messages back and forth between a small  
>> group of us?
>>
>> That might solve the problem for now...
>>
>> Is there anyone who wants to study with me in that way privately?
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Cherie Wren wrote:
>>
>>> When I first got interested in SignWriting, it was
>>> when the SWDOS program was all that was available.  I
>>> downloaded it, looked at it, and felt so completely
>>> overwhelmed that I gave up.  When I came back, it was
>>> to the SignPuddle, not yet SignText.  It was no longer
>>> overwhelming.  I could SEE what I was doing, whereas
>>> on the SWDOS, I could not.  On that, I saw my regular
>>> keyboard, and had no idea how to make it into a
>>> signwriting keyboard. There was no "Lessons in
>>> Signwriting: book then either...
>>>
>>> It does feel slow, but thats because I'm still not
>>> always certain exactly what I'm doing.  I really need
>>> to try to write a little everyday to build up
>>> confidence and speed...  I go into the layers with
>>> rotations because I need to see what my options are
>>> and pick just the right one.  I don't always know
>>> --without seeing choices--  which symbol I need.  I
>>> also sign while I'm writing--  still "sounding out"
>>> (Feeling out? :-) what I'm doing, which makes my
>>> coworker who shares the office laugh at me...
>>> ::grin::
>>>
>>> cherie
>>>
>>> --- Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> October 16, 2006
>>>>
>>>> Steve - You are doing so much for us! I am most
>>>> amazed and grateful
>>>> for the drag and drop system you have created for
>>>> us...It is a
>>>> miracle how fast I can create a sentence...has
>>>> anyone noticed how
>>>> fast I created that sentence in the video? I do not
>>>> bother with going
>>>> down layers most of the time but get the upper
>>>> symbol and then use
>>>> the command keys to rotate and flop the symbol and
>>>> also I use the
>>>> Fill Key to change the palm facing...that is very
>>>> very similar to the
>>>> way it would be typed in SignWriter DOS - those
>>>> special command keys
>>>> are exactly taken from our typing system in
>>>> SignWriter DOS, so I
>>>> think that if Ron could really study the way I
>>>> created that sentence
>>>> in the video, you will see that I was using keys
>>>> with the mouse, that
>>>> are exactly the same as in SignWriter DOS special
>>>> command keys...
>>>>
>>>> the dragging and dropping is much faster than I
>>>> believe people
>>>> realize, because of the combination with the special
>>>> command keys
>>>> with the dragging and dropping and in the long run,
>>>> I believe that
>>>> SignPuddle is at least equal to the speed of
>>>> creating sentences with
>>>> SignWriter DOS right now...we could time me creating
>>>> a sentence with
>>>> SWDOS and SignText and I bet the SignText would be
>>>> at least equal...
>>>>
>>>> So look at the video again to see how much I use the
>>>> command keys...
>>>>
>>>> teaching people to type directly in SignWriting
>>>> symbols with
>>>> SignWriter DOS never went well because most people
>>>> pasted from the
>>>> dictionary and never learned to really type
>>>> directly...
>>>>
>>>> That is why it is so important to create sentences
>>>> directly in
>>>> SignText without pasting signs in from
>>>> SignPuddle...creating the
>>>> signs without pasting is better for the grammar of
>>>> the language
>>>> because the writer puts more unique facial
>>>> expressions in
>>>> automatically when they are not being forced into an
>>>> exact sign from
>>>> a dictionary..
>>>>
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ron,
>>>>>
>>>>> The keyboard is very important for SignWriting and
>>>> will return.
>>>>> Hopefully there will be another version of
>>>> SignWriter someday.
>>>>> Interestingly enough, Val has already designed a
>>>> keyboard layout
>>>>> for the entire IMWA.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the future, keyboarding will be included in
>>>> SignPuddle.  It will
>>>>> probably start with adjusting the placement of
>>>> symbols and the
>>>>> special commands like rotate and fill.  Full
>>>> keyboarding will take
>>>>> some time because of technical issues and
>>>> priorities.  It is also a
>>>>> special skill that few took the time to master.
>>>>>
>>>>> But just imaging writing a complete SignWriting
>>>> document with only
>>>>> the keyboard.  It's fast and natural.  I'm sure
>>>> Val and Stefan
>>>>> could explain it better than I.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't imagine writing English using the mouse.
>>>> The keyboard is
>>>>> so much more powerful.  But then we'll need
>>>> training material for
>>>>> touch typing and SignWriting.  Maybe even an
>>>> online tool that
>>>>> teaches touch typing interactively.  So much to
>>>> do...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> -Steve
>>>>>
>>>>> Ronald Dettloff wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Valerie,
>>>>>>    Thanks for explaining about the font sizes.
>>>> Great!  Regarding
>>>>>> the hot-keys: a better explanation would be
>>>> remember how you could
>>>>>> use your keyboard to go into the different layers
>>>> of a sign. I
>>>>>> think that is quicker the the amount of time
>>>> needed click through
>>>>>> the various layers until you find the right
>>>> symbol. For example I
>>>>>> would like a set of keys to move a sign around,
>>>> manipulate the
>>>>>> sign, or call out for the touch, dynamic or
>>>> movement signs. That
>>>>>> way all my fingers and the mouse could be used.
>>>> We lost a lot of
>>>>>> advantages when we went to windows. I think it
>>>> might be a good
>>>>>> idea for you to allow people to make suggestions
>>>> for the keyboard
>>>>>> and then Stephen could incorporate them into
>>>> SignPuddle.
>>>>>>   Thanks for asking,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rev. Ronald H. Dettloff, 20880 Ten Mile Road, St.
>>>> Clair Shores, MI
>>>>>> 48080
>>>>>> Other Web links:
>>>> http://theshoreschurch.org/ME2/
>>>>>> Audiences/Default.asp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>>
>> Valerie Sutton
>> Sutton at SignWriting.org
>>
>> 1. SignWriting
>> Read & Write Sign Languages
>> http://www.SignWriting.org
>>
>> 2. SignBank
>> Create Sign Language Databases
>> http://www.SignBank.org
>>
>> 3. SignPuddle
>> Create Sign Language Dictionaries
>> http://www.SignPuddle.org
>>
>> 4. SignText
>> Create Sign Language Documents
>> http://www.SignBank.org/signpuddle/signtext
>>
>> 5. SignWriting List
>> Technical Support: Ask questions to the List
>> http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/swlist
>>
>> 6. DanceWriting
>> Read & Write Dance Movement
>> http://www.DanceWriting.org
>>
>> 7. MovementWriting
>> Read & Write All Body Movement
>> http://www.MovementWriting.org
>>
>> 8. SymbolBank
>> International Movement Writing Alphabet
>> http://www.MovementWriting.org/symbolbank
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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