UK Deaf leader argues for video technology

[Stuart Thiessen]

I am in Des Moines, Iowa, right in the middle of the US. ;-)  When I 
moved from Virginia to Kansas, they told me to say hi to Dorothy. Funny 
thing .... my neighbor was Dorothy. So, I said hi!  ( ;-D )  Then I 
lived in Nebraska. Now in Iowa. So, I'm more of a Midwesterner. :)

Stuart

On Oct 19, 2006, at 14:33, Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa wrote:

> Stuart is right - Gallaudet is loyal to Stokoe, thinking that SW is
> another notation system (which it ISN'T!)
>
> once we slip SW into Gallaudet, it will change - unfair i know...but
> we will get there eventually.
>
> Where are you based, Stuart?
>
> Shane
>
> On 19/10/06, Stuart Thiessen <sw at passitonservices.org> wrote:
>> Here, the local teacher (hearing) said that he would not even consider
>> use of SignWriting until Deaf people use it. I told him, "2 Deaf 
>> people
>> are right now telling you it is a good idea!!!  ;-)"  Really, what he
>> means is until NAD or Gallaudet or some formal group adopts 
>> SignWriting
>> as a writing system for ASL, he won't consider it.
>>
>> But I agree with Valerie. First time, they may be resistant or
>> hesitant, but if we are patient, they will realize the benefits of the
>> system.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Stuart Thiessen
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2006, at 13:15, Bill Reese wrote:
>>
>> > Val,
>> >
>> > Last night my late-deaf group had one of it's regular coffee socials
>> > and a sign teacher from a local college showed up with her class of
>> > about 10 hearing students.  I showed her www.signwriting.org on my
>> > sidekick and she admitted that she had looked at it a couple months
>> > ago.  Her students are just beginners and most are taking sign as
>> > their required foreign language.  As such, most won't be going far
>> > with it.  The teacher suggested that signwriting would most likely 
>> fit
>> > in with the sign language structure class, which is normally a 
>> fourth
>> > semester class in sign instruction.  I asked her to pass the word
>> > along to the teacher of that class.  Not sure where it will get but 
>> a
>> > couple of her beginning students snuck a look at what I was showing
>> > her and expressed curiousity.
>> > This was probably the first time I had received constructive 
>> dialogue
>> > instead of skepticism from a local teacher.
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> >
>> > If it's anything like the UK, it will be a long ways to go
>> >
>> > Valerie Sutton wrote:
>> >> SignWriting List
>> >> October 19, 2006
>> >>
>> >> Ha! Well...my experience is that it takes around three times, 
>> before
>> >> people become convinced to look at it...
>> >>
>> >> The first time they are against it, the second time they discuss it
>> >> more, and the third time they decide to look at it...
>> >>
>> >> So maybe in time he will come around, as others write BSL around
>> >> him...
>> >>
>> >> reading and writing English took centuries to become 
>> established...so
>> >> there is hope!
>> >>
>> >> Val ;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 19, 2006, at 9:46 AM, Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I did invite him :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> He said he have better things to do...
>> >>>
>> >>> (!)
>> >>>
>> >>> :-)
>> >>>
>> >>> Shane
>> >>>
>> >>> On 19/10/06, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at mac.com> wrote:
>> >>>> SignWriting List
>> >>>> October 19, 2006
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Shane Gilchrist O hEorpa in Belfast wrote:
>> >>>> > Was talking to a deaf leader in England about that system - he
>> >>>> said
>> >>>> > that its no good - what with the development in video 
>> technology
>> >>>> i.e.
>> >>>> > video messages etc - so why the signwriting etc?
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I said having videomessages etc will not improve kids' 
>> literacy in
>> >>>> > BSL/NISL but having SW will do.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > beside, technology isnt good at keeping stuff - SW can be 
>> printed
>> >>>> on
>> >>>> > any paper and that they ll be still there 500 years away :-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hello Shane and Everyone!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Those are good points, Shane...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So did you invite the Deaf leader to the SignWriting Workshop on 
>> Oct
>> >>>> 27th at DCAL? ;-))
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Double-dare him to come to the workshop to see if he has the 
>> courage
>> >>>> to look at it...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When people give me the video argument, I say:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "People did not stop writing English when audio recording 
>> equipment
>> >>>> was invented!"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Written English transcripts are very helpful combined with audio
>> >>>> CDs ;-))
>> >>>>
>> >>>> No different with written Sign Language and videos...they help 
>> each
>> >>>> other....
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I know you know this, Shane...I am just spouting off right now - 
>> ha!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Val ;-)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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