question on SSS

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
April 2, 2007

Hello Charles!
Thank you for this synopsis...I hope you will enjoy the new software  
that gives you complete flexibility to place your signs in the  
sequence you choose...it will really be fascinating to see how it  
goes...I look forward to getting SignBank posted so you can also  
print out your dictionaries to test your sequences like I have been  
doing lately...

This looks like a good description below of the sequence...

Recently when sorting 1844 signs I was able to share the printed  
dictionary with some of the participants at the conference and I got  
some good feedback...I was surprised that location seems to feel  
better at the end of the sequence...and I look forward to sharing  
with you why this happened later...the software makes it possible for  
us to experiment and to try different sequences, so there are no  
worries...

So talk to you later -

Val ;-)




On Apr 2, 2007, at 4:07 PM, Charles Butler wrote:

> I am putting my oar in the water here.  Imagine you could not  
> alphabetize using the Roman alphabet.
>
> The sign symbol sequence is ordered, so that in a dictionary you  
> can look up signs.
>
> I set up my original Brazilian sign language dictionary in an  
> ordered system following Signs for Everyday Use as a guide.
>
> Hands by themselves.  This is the first sort.  Signs are sorted by  
> handshape by which fingers are being used using the number of  
> fingers being used.
>
> So, all the 1s (pointer, crooked finger, ASL 1, ASL D, ASL X) are  
> this group.
>
> Then all the 2s (ASL 2, ASL R, ASL H are in this group)
>
> And so on through all the groups.
>
> Then the next step is which of the 1s.  I sorted by the closed  
> fist, index finger as the first handshape, then the open fist-index  
> finger, then the closed fist-crooked finger, then the open-fist  
> crooked finger, using the bend of the finger as the 2nd marker.
>
> And so on.
>
> Third marker is direction (the six palm facings, facing reader,  
> half inward, back of hand, facing up, facing inward, facing down),  
> plus the eight directions, starting at 12 oclock for either hand,  
> then 45 degrees inward each hand, then 90 degrees inward each hand,  
> then 135 degrees inward each hand, then 180 inward each hand, then  
> 205, then 240, then 275.
> Do this for both hands in isolation.
>
> That's Group-Handshape-Palm Facing-Rotation
>
> Next level is contact.  Any time there is a contact between the two  
> hands the type of contact and whether once or twice is considered.
>
> Touch (1,2)-Strike (1,2)-Brush (1,2)-Rub (1,2)-Hold (1,2)-In-Between
>
> So Group-Handshape-Palm Facing-Rotation-Contact
>
> Then add Body Location starting with the Head, then the Neck, then  
> the shoulders, the left arm, the body, the right arm, the waist,  
> the left leg, the right leg.
>
> And so on.
>
> Then Movement, (Up then 360 in XY plane, Up then up down 360 (YZ  
> plane), Out and then 360 in the XZ plane).  This is about as far as  
> I have gotten.
>
> A good example is these two Brazilan signs for Complicado  
> (complicated) and Confusao (Confusion).  The only difference in the  
> two signs is the speed of motion, which requires an ordering of:
>
> Group, Handshape, Palm Facing, Rotation, Contact, Movement, and Speed
>
> The following signs are ordered by this system.  Minimal changes  
> noted to separate each sign from the next.
>
>  Group 1, Palm facing speaker
>
>
>  Group 1, Hand facing up and at 45 degrees down pointed toward the  
> speaker.
>
> Group 2, Palm away from speaker
>
>  Group 2, Fingers crooked
>
>
>
>  Group 4, Palm facing speaker, rotation 90 degrees toward center
>
>   Group 5, Hands half way, pointing up.  Note this is first (no  
> contact between the hands).
>
>   Group 5, Hands half way, pointing 45 degrees, Contact between the  
> hands.
>
>   Group 5, Hands half way, pointing 45 degrees, Contact, Hands move  
> slowly.
>
> Group 6, Palm toward speaker, Pointing up.
>
>  Group 9, Hands facing each other, no contact, wrist movement,  
> normal speed.
>
>
>
> Hope that helps to explain the usefulness of the system.
>
>
>
>
> Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod <acpg at vtxnet.ch> wrote:
> Dear Val
>
> could you explain to me what SignSpelling Sequence should be used  
> for ?
> I've never used it and don't know how I should use it and what for
>
> thanks for your help
>
> Anny
>
> Anne-Claude Prélaz Girod
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> 1271 Givrins
> Tel ++41/22.362.52.37
> Fax ++41/22.362.52.66
> mail: acpg at vtxnet.ch
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