SVG version of our IMWA symbols

Wed Apr 25 18:37:39 UTC 2007

Machado, that is beautiful work, I wish I'd known about it before! Or is
it one of those things you told us before and I didn't realise the
significance of it?  :)

I hope you won't mind me using these in my software, when I start on the
actual programming?

Of course flips and rotations aren't required, these can be handled by
software.

As I said, I'm away for a week, so might not be able to reply right
away.

Sandy

On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 15:11 -0300, machado at softwarelivre.org wrote:
> Try these: http://www.softwarelivre.org/~machado/SSS-2004svg/ or  
> http://www.softwarelivre.org/~machado/SSS-2004svg.tar.gz
> 
> 
> Its full set of sss2004. By full I mean no flips or rotations. but the  
> whole set.
> 
> 
> Machado
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> Citando Steve Slevinski <slevin at signpuddle.net>:
> 
> > Jonathan,
> >
> > I am the one requesting an SVG
> >
> > Jonathan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Valerie Sutton wrote:
> >>> SignWriting List
> >>> April 21, 2007
> >>>
> >>> This morning I had the pleasure of speaking for almost 2 hours on   
> >>> the phone with the Netherlands, with one of the Wikimedia   
> >>> languages subcommittee members, whom I met, through email   
> >>> conversations recently, and we talked about creating an SVG   
> >>> version of our IMWA symbols, to enhance future computer   
> >>> programming...
> >> Hi Val,
> >>    An SVG version of the IMWA symbols seems exciting.  I was   
> >> wondering we advantages this might have.  I know that currently the  
> >>  PNG symbols are cacheable so this is better for us that have lower  
> >>  bandwidth as we only have to get each symbol once. I briefly  
> >> looked  into the SVG and it seems to be inline so it comes as part  
> >> of the  web page.  I don't think that it would be cacheable but I  
> >> could be  wrong. If the SVG is part of the page, then the browser  
> >> wouldn't  have to get each symbol one by one, it would load faster  
> >> on the  browser but the server would have to resend the symbol on  
> >> each web  page refresh so it might be a bit longer to load each  
> >> page for  those of us with lower bandwith.  Though on second  
> >> thought, if we  don't have to get each rotation it might even be  
> >> faster.
> >>    I was thinking on the savings are far as rotations  for only the  
> >>  handshapes using the SVG.  Presently there are about 207 hand   
> >> shapes with 6 distinct fills rotated 8 different positions then   
> >> mirrored and rotated another 8 positions.  So for each of the 207   
> >> there are 6 fills X 16 rotations = 96 symbols per hand shape.  207   
> >> handshapes X 96 symbols each =  19872 handshape symbols.  Now if we  
> >>  only had to draw the 6 fills for the 207 handshapes, we would only  
> >>  have to define 207 X 6 =  1242 symbols which SVG could easily   
> >> mirror and rotate all the ways we wanted to.  So with SVG we would   
> >> only need to define 6% of the current handshape symbols.  That's   
> >> like 94% improvement. Not bad!!! Some of the other arrows etc can   
> >> also be rotated and flipped to make up the full set. However there   
> >> wouldn't be any savings as far as the face symbols or some of the   
> >> punctuation is concerned.     I guess when we have made a few, we   
> >> will have a better idea how they compare in size to the PNG   
> >> symbols.  I wonder if they would be any smaller as many symbols   
> >> have a lot of parts that have to be described.  The median PNG   
> >> symbol file size is only 232 bytes.  It going to be hard to beat   
> >> that but with a 90-94% savings from rotating them on the SVG I   
> >> guess it would really be worth it.
> >>    I the other more immediate benefit would be that they are easily  
> >>  scalable.  This would be better for captioning or people who have   
> >> bad eyesight. What else have your learned about doing the IMWA in   
> >> SVG?
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >>> I am going to step out in the beautiful Springtime air and be back  
> >>>  shortly -
> >>>
> >>> Val ;-)
> >>>
> >>> -----------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Apr 21, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Cherie Wren wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I volunteer to help...
> >>>>
> >>>> cherie
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>> From: Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
> >>>> To: List SignWriting <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:41:27 PM
> >>>> Subject: [sw-l] Wikipedia American Sign Language
> >>>>
> >>>> SignWriting List
> >>>> April 20, 2007
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello SW List Members!
> >>>>
> >>>> As you all know, recently there has been interest in creating a
> >>>> possible ASL Wikipedia, or at least, the beginning of writing an
> >>>> Encyclopedia in ASL...
> >>>>
> >>>> Since we are new to writing and posting documents on the web, in our
> >>>> SignPuddle 1.5 Literature Puddle online, I realize that this is a
> >>>> very big leap forward, to start writing encyclopedia articles in ASL!
> >>>>
> >>>> To write such an article, we would need to either choose an article
> >>>> already written in another encyclopedia, and then translate it from
> >>>> English to ASL and then write it in SignWriting in SignText...
> >>>>
> >>>> or...
> >>>>
> >>>> write it directly from our own knowledge of physics, or geography or
> >>>> whatever the article is about!
> >>>>
> >>>> This seems like a big new project, doesn't it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sooo...here is my thought...
> >>>>
> >>>> Do we have volunteers to help us write one test-article for a new
> >>>> encyclopedia written in ASL?
> >>>>
> >>>> It will be our FIRST article for an encyclopedia in ASL...like a test
> >>>> drive. Then we can show the document to those at Wikimedia and to
> >>>> others too...It will be an historic and interesting adventure...
> >>>>
> >>>> I know many of you are already overloaded with projects, so only
> >>>> volunteer if you feel you have the time. We could create an
> >>>> Encylopedia team of writers, and each person could take a small
> >>>> section of the translation and writing...
> >>>>
> >>>> And there is no rush and no deadline.
> >>>>
> >>>> Plus we need to choose the one article we want to write...
> >>>>
> >>>> But before we choose the article, is there anyone interested in
> >>>> volunteering to write an article for an Encyclopedia?
> >>>>
> >>>> Once we have a few volunteers, I will write to the Wikimedia language
> >>>> committee to suggest that maybe they can choose one article for us to
> >>>> translate from the Wikipedia in English online...
> >>>>
> >>>> Those are my thoughts...
> >>>>
> >>>> What are yours?
> >>>>
> >>>> Val ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
> >>>> Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >>
> >> Jonathan & Yolaine Duncan
> >> 8-)  & ;-)
> >>
> >
> >
> > !DSPAM:462f8e3d160344897514859!
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