Sleeping Beauty part 5

Sat Apr 28 03:07:25 UTC 2007

SignWriting List
April 27, 2007

In theory, this is true. If SignWriting ASL was an older writing  
system, and standardized spellings already existed in big  
dictionaries (grin) (I know there will be a day when this will be  
true)...that would be the right tact, to write the standardized  
spellings. But right now, there are several ways to spell some signs,  
and both spellings are correct from a movement perspective, so Kelly  
Jo is correct that this can be a dilemma, when standardized spellings  
do not exist yet, in the same way they do in English. So Kelly Jo  
does have to make decisions without any standardizations to point  
to...there is a possibility that a one-handed sign might be important  
for the grammar of the sentence in some cases...so the grammar can  
actually change the way the sign is signed sometimes...I have not  
looked at this video yet, but it could be possible...

That is why, when I wrote Darline signing in Goldilocks, I tried to  
write it the way she signed it...partly because I did not know if it  
was important to ASL grammar to have a variation of the sign or not.  
For example, when she signed the sign for baby daughter, there were  
some blendings of signs that are a part of the grammar, and as a  
foreigner to ASL I didn't want to influence the writing with my  
guessing...so the video was my security blanket, so to speak, to  
leave the ASL to Darline and I would not stand in judgement...just  
write the best I could "what I see on the video"...

So this is an issue of time...and experience...as we write more and  
more literature..

It is an exciting adventure to see this unfold...

And it couldn't happen without SignPuddle!

So Kelly Jo, I personally would write Darline as she signed it...in  
general...with some exceptions of course! And then we can ask the DAC  
to make the final decisions on these issues...;-))

This is just the first draft and there will be an editing process  
with Deaf writers before we publish, so don't worry too much...maybe  
make some notes to yourself where there are signs you are not sure of...

Val ;-)

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Steve Slevinski wrote:
> I'd write the correct sign correctly spelled..  That's the great  
> thing about text.  We can fix individual signs.  To fix this  
> particular sign on video they'd need to rerecord the entire segment.
>
> -Steve
>
> K.J. Boal wrote:
>> Thanks Charles... I definitely wanted to have both hands moving  
>> for "ground", but that's not
>> how she signed it on the video.  I'm finding I'm running into this  
>> a fair bit... do I write what she signed, which I know is  
>> "sloppy", or do I write what I know the sign is *supposed* to look  
>> like?
>> KJ
>>
>>
>>> From: "Charles Butler" <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>
>>> Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Sleeping Beauty part 5
>>> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 02:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
>>>
>>> You wrote "dirt" just fine.
>>>
>>> dirt
>>> dirt
>>>  Source: ASL
>>> Modified: March 29, 2007 19:02
>>>
>>> I think this is what the sign with the fingers rubbing in a  
>>> circle is supposed to be.
>>>
>>> It's a very interesting challenge.
>>>
>>> area
>>> land
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>> "K.J. Boal" <kjoanne403 at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote: Jon,
>>> Second column second sign - no, the fingers are rubbing against  
>>> each other
>>> in a circle.  The hands don't touch the chest.  I know that's  
>>> confusing... I
>>> don't know how to make it clearer, though.  This and the third  
>>> sign are kind
>>> of like a compound sign or a signed phrase meaning "Land".
>>> KJ
>>>
>>> >From: "Jonathan"
>>> >Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> >To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> >Subject: Re: [sw-l] Sleeping Beauty part 5
>>> >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 07:59:58 -0600
>>> >
>>> >KJ,
>>> >     Second column second sign.  I take that these hands are facing
>>> >inward rubbing on the chest.  But in what direction?  I haven't  
>>> figured
>>> >this one out.
>>> >     Second column third sign.  Place??? or Area???
>>> >
>>> >Jonathan
>>> >
>>> >kjoanne403 at HOTMAIL.COM wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > How's it looking?
>>> > >
>>> > > KJ
>>> > >
>>> > >  
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> ----
>>> > > Load message into SignText
>>> > >
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>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Courtesy of SignBank.org
>>> > >
>>> > > 7050a2c230a1609105e3eca585ea1d72 =  
>>> 7050a2c230a1609105e3eca585ea1d72
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >
>>> >Jonathan & Yolaine Duncan
>>> >8-)  & ;-)
>>> >
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