Writing Number 16 in ASL

[Stuart Thiessen]

Adam, which do you do?  the 10 handshape or an A handshape for the  
first handshape in 16?

Stuart

On 22 Aug 2007, at 13:53, Adam Frost wrote:

> I personally agree. I think it would be better without the  
> rotation. :-)
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Stuart Thiessen" <sw at passitonservices.org>
>
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:46:58
> To:"SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Cc:"Gallant Philippe" <pgallant at passitonservices.org>
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Writing Number 16 in ASL
>
>
> I personally see no problem with leaving the rotation symbols out.
> The palm orientations assume the rotation will have to take place
> anyway, so we do not lose any important information. It makes it more
> compact for page numbers. It would be a bit silly, but we could make
> the "artificial" distinction between the name of the number (with a
> rotation symbol) and the number itself (without a rotation
> symbol) ... :-D. Probably not necessary though.
>
> If we're taking a vote, I'd say let's try it without the rotation
> symbol, but accept the rotation symbol as an alternate spelling if
> people feel more comfortable with it.
>
> What do other Deaf think?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Stuart
>
> On 22 Aug 2007, at 13:40, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>
>> On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Stuart Thiessen wrote:
>>> Well, it is the 10 hand ... in concept ...  but when I actually
>>> produce the sign, the thumb of the 10 hand actually rests on the
>>> hand instead of being fully extended. In other words, the formal
>>> way to teach is 10+6, but in actual production (at least for me),
>>> the thumb of the 10 hand is not fully extended.  Does that make
>>> sense?
>>> Stuart
>>
>> Oh yes...I fully understand that is the way you sign it...and it is
>> written well for that purpose ;-)
>>
>> But should the formal writing of the number 16, in page numbers at
>> the bottom of publications like the Bible, and Cat in the
>> Hat...should that writing be formal or informal?
>>
>> In other words, from a standardization point of view, for formal
>> writing documents, should we be writing the way one person produces
>> the sign, or the way the sign was built on 10 plus 6?
>>
>> And actually my real question was related to the Rotation
>> Symbol...is it really needed in the formal writing of the sign when
>> we can see the rotation from position to position?
>>
>> I wonder if these questions will ever be fully solved...there are
>> just so many issues involved with standardization!
>>
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