handwriting stroke ordering

Charles Butler chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM
Thu Jan 11 21:54:15 UTC 2007

First Exercise.

Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote: 
  SignWriting List
January 11, 2007

Hello Eric!

Eric mead wrote:

> Hi. I'm rather new to all of this, so forgive me if this question 
> has already been addressed.

Welcome to the SignWriting List. You are jumping in head first! That 
is fine...you are brave ;-))

> I am working through the SignWriting handwriting course, and it 
> occurs to me that the ordering of the strokes might be important. 
> In Asian scripts it is VERY important in that it causes rather 
> regular 'mistakes' which can be more easily recognized throughout 
> different handwriting styles.

That is very interesting about Asian scripts...As you know, I am not 
knowledgeable about Asian scripts...technically it does not have any 
connection to SignWriting...but there are two factors that are 
similar...SignWriting can be written in vertical columns and 
SignWriting signs are written in clusters...that is...the symbols are 
not written from left to right in a string, but are instead like 
little groupings of symbols that are both above and below each 
other...so in that sense...the strokes may be valuable...

> (It's also just important traditionally because of calligraphy and 
> history.) I personally believe that it is this stroke ordering 
> which helped to foster the otherwise difficult to decipher 
> calligraphy styles in ancient times. I would love to see a 
> SignWriting calligraphy develop!!

Wonderful. I agree I hope it develops too!!

> Valerie, could you include the ordering of the strokes in each 
> handwriten sign? I believe you did this for the SignWriting 
> printing course pages, right?

I will be happy to do what I can. Stroke-sequencing has not been 
fully developed yet, since until recently, people just wrote by hand 
the best they could, without official courses in Handwriting...so I 
can certainly share with you my personal stroke-sequencing and we can 
see if it fits with what feels good for others...

This is what I propose...

1. Everyone is going to turn in their homework assignment for Lesson 
1 by Monday...(by the way...only page 8 in the homework assignment 
needs to be turned in...)

2. at the same time, on Monday, I will announce the posting of Lesson 2

3. we will spend all of next week making comments on Lesson 1 
homework assignments plus discussing Lesson 2 ;-))

4. and this will repeat for one more week for Lesson 3 as well...

Then the course is finished for now!

What will Lesson 2 and Lesson 3 present?

Lesson 2...a reference chart of most commonly used symbols, including 
movement arrows, facial expressions, contact symbols, punctuation, 
dynamics and more handshapes...all listed in one long chart, showing 
the Printing and Handwriting and Shorthand for each symbol...and then 
a homework assignment

Lesson 3...Cursive writing (connecting symbols within one sign so the 
sign is one complete unit without lifting your pen from the page) 
Cursive writing uses Shorthand mainly, and does not include enough 
detail for most purposes, but for your own personal notes it is quite 

And who knows, Eric...maybe in time these writing styles will become 
more of the mainstream...we are finding our way...that is why the 
reference chart in Lesson 2 is so important...so people can explore 
different writing styles...

Thanks for your interest and participation!

Val ;-)

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