handwriting stroke ordering

Jonathan duncanjonathan at YAHOO.CA
Mon Jan 15 01:15:05 UTC 2007

Valerie Sutton wrote:
> SignWriting List
> January 11, 2007
> Hello Eric!
> Eric mead wrote:
>> Hi. I'm rather new to all of this, so forgive me if this question has
>> already been addressed.
> Welcome to the SignWriting List. You are jumping in head first! That
> is fine...you are brave ;-))
>> I am working through the SignWriting handwriting course, and it
>> occurs to me that the ordering of the strokes might be important. In
>> Asian scripts it is VERY important in that it causes rather regular
>> 'mistakes' which can be more easily recognized throughout different
>> handwriting styles.
> That is very interesting about Asian scripts...As you know, I am not
> knowledgeable about Asian scripts...technically it does not have any
> connection to SignWriting...but there are two factors that are
> similar...SignWriting can be written in vertical columns and
> SignWriting signs are written in clusters...that is...the symbols are
> not written from left to right in a string, but are instead like
> little groupings of symbols that are both above and below each
> other...so in that sense...the strokes may be valuable...
>> (It's also just important traditionally because of calligraphy and
>> history.) I personally believe that it is this stroke ordering which
>> helped to foster the otherwise difficult to decipher calligraphy
>> styles in ancient times. I would love to see a SignWriting
>> calligraphy develop!!
> Wonderful. I agree I hope it develops too!!
>> Valerie, could you include the ordering of the strokes in each
>> handwriten sign? I believe you did this for the SignWriting printing
>> course pages, right?
> I will be happy to do what I can. Stroke-sequencing has not been fully
> developed yet, since until recently, people just wrote by hand the
> best they could, without official courses in Handwriting...so I can
> certainly share with you my personal stroke-sequencing and we can see
> if it fits with what feels good for others...
Hi Val,
    When I went to school and learned to write, we were taught to make
the printed strokes in certain order, the same for cursive writing also
had it rules as to where capital letters started and stopped and where
lowercase letters tarted and stop.  It would be nice to have some rules
that have worked well for others to write HandWriting or CursiveWriting
better.  (But of course these rules need to have a logical rational
behind them)

> This is what I propose...
> 1. Everyone is going to turn in their homework assignment for Lesson 1
> by Monday...(by the way...only page 8 in the homework assignment needs
> to be turned in...)
> 2. at the same time, on Monday, I will announce the posting of Lesson 2
> 3. we will spend all of next week making comments on Lesson 1 homework
> assignments plus discussing Lesson 2 ;-))
> 4. and this will repeat for one more week for Lesson 3 as well...
> Then the course is finished for now!
> What will Lesson 2 and Lesson 3 present?
> Lesson 2...a reference chart of most commonly used symbols, including
> movement arrows, facial expressions, contact symbols, punctuation,
> dynamics and more handshapes...all listed in one long chart, showing
> the Printing and Handwriting and Shorthand for each symbol...and then
> a homework assignment
> Lesson 3...Cursive writing (connecting symbols within one sign so the
> sign is one complete unit without lifting your pen from the page)
> Cursive writing uses Shorthand mainly, and does not include enough
> detail for most purposes, but for your own personal notes it is quite
> amazing...
> And who knows, Eric...maybe in time these writing styles will become
> more of the mainstream...we are finding our way...that is why the
> reference chart in Lesson 2 is so important...so people can explore
> different writing styles...
> Thanks for your interest and participation!
> Val ;-)


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