Deaf Residential Schools in the US...
K.J. Boal
kjoanne403 at HOTMAIL.COM
Fri Jan 19 23:18:51 UTC 2007
True. . . thank you, Stuart!
KJ
>From: "Stuart Thiessen" <sw at passitonservices.org>
>Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Deaf Residential Schools in the US...
>Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:07:53 -0600
>
>I think the key to acceptance is to do your best to have Deaf editors who
>are willing to give you real feedback and who would be recognized by the
>community as Deaf who are involved in the community. I think if you can
>show that you put your translation through the Deaf "wringer" to make sure
>that it was accurate in how it was translated, then I think it wouldn't
>matter. Besides that, it is always important to realize that most
>textbooks have later editions that polish things up after they have been
>used for a while. So I expect that all textbooks developed will have a
>second (or more) edition.
>
>Yeah, we have a few hundred years to catch up to English, don't we? :)
>
>Stuart
>
>On Jan 19, 2007, at 16:56, K.J. Boal wrote:
>
>>
>>I definitely think that a full SW curriculum does need to be developed
>>for every subject . . . it is a daunting task! (I've translated a couple
>>of songs into SW and those songs seemed a lot longer while I was working
>>on them, too!) Some sort of curriculum will definitely be part of my
>>Ph.D. project. I think about it at nights while I'm trying to fall
>>asleep and I keep thinking about all the things that could be done and
>>all the good SW could do if only . . . From the beginning I've wanted to
>>be a part of developing SW literature, but I don't know how much it would
>>be accepted because I'm hearing. But if I started with elementary school
>>curriculum materials . . . especially for subjects like Social Studies,
>>which is pretty much entirely language-based . . . that might be more
>>accepted.
>>
>>The project is daunting when you think about all the other things you
>>have to do . . . like (in your case Cherie) plan your lessons! I, on the
>>other hand, am not that intimidated because my job, even though it's
>>full-time, starts when I get to work and ends when I leave. I have lots
>>of time in the evenings and weekends to devote to SW . . . maybe you
>>could send me some materials you'd like to see translated and I could get
>>a start on them? Just a suggestion . . .
>>
>>KJ
>>
>>>From: CWren at doe.k12.ga.us
>>>Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>>To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>>Subject: Re: [sw-l] Deaf Residential Schools in the US...
>>>Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 08:08:43 -0500
>>>
>>>I've thought about that... trying to develop science materials (I have a
>>>strong science background) but looking at the size of even elementary
>>>science textbooks... the project becomes just too daunting. Even Cat in
>>>the Hat seems a lot longer now that I am translating it! ::smile::
>>>
>>>cherie
>>>
>>>---------------------------------
>>>Cherie Wren
>>>GSD Staff Interpreter
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>>>Re: [sw-l] Deaf Residential Schools in the US...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>:) That's great!
>>>
>>>I do think that there is a tangental approach that could be equally
>>>beneficial and worth considering. I think back to when I was in high
>>>school, I had a deaf friend who was in my 11th-12th grade history
>>>class. Because English is my first language, I had the regular
>>>textbook. But she had the 7th grade history book instead. Naturally,
>>>she did not get the same things out of the class that I could even with
>>>an interpreter. I don't think it was her fault.
>>>
>>>If curriculum for a specific course (history, math, etc.) can be
>>>developed in ASL at appropriate grade levels and Deaf children can be
>>>shown to learn equal or superior to their hearing peers using that
>>>curriculum, that might be equally helpful. Of course, we may have to
>>>settle for a comparison of traditional Deaf Ed approach versus using SW
>>>curriculum to show improved learning between the two Deaf test groups.
>>>I suppose it would depend on the project and how it is set up and the
>>>willingness of the school or parents.
>>>
>>>That process may also help us understand presentation issues as well.
>>>Fact of the matter probably is that presentation will be equally
>>>important as content, and that will be something new that will need to
>>>be considered since we will have to consider how the presentation of
>>>written material will intersect with the way sign languages naturally
>>>use directionality. For example, in English, we say, "See Figure 3 for
>>>a chart of English Kings." If I write it in ASL, should my Signwriting
>>>point to the physical location of Figure 3 or what? There may be other
>>>related issues that could come up. So, even those factors could impact
>>>the effectiveness of written materials.
>>>
>>>Just some thoughts to throw out. :-)
>>>
>>>Stuart
>>>
>>>On Jan 17, 2007, at 22:57, K.J. Boal wrote:
>>>
>>> > Actually, I'm hoping to do a Ph.D. research project in the near
>>>future
>>> > on exactly that, Cherie! But it will be a while before any results
>>> > are in . . . if the project even gets off the ground . . . I'm hoping
>>> > to get started on the program either this year or next but I don't
>>> > know when or where I'll be doing it . . . I'll keep you posted on my
>>> > progress!
>>> >
>>> > KJ
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> From: "Cherie Wren" <cwterp at YAHOO.COM>
>>> >> Reply-To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> >> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> >> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Deaf Residential Schools in the US...
>>> >> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:47:47 -0800 (PST)
>>> >>
>>> >> But in order to get the schools to accept SW, you have to hit them
>>>on
>>> >> what THEY think is important: and that is English. Period. End of
>>> >> story. so although SW will have benefits far beyond its limited use
>>> >> in promoting English literacy, that HAS to be the sell point.
>>> >> Because that is all Deaf education is about right now. English
>>> >> Literacy. Oh, those other things get done, but English Literacy is
>>> >> THE goal of Deaf education in the United States, sad to say. And
>>> >> although there is no proof, there is research that supports it.
>>>Read
>>> >> Cummins on bilingual education. He proposes a theory that In
>>> >> bilingual education (he is talking about Spanish/English) there are
>>> >> two ways to get to English Literacy for Spanish speaking students.
>>> >> One is via spoken English, the other is via Written Spanish. Apply
>>> >> that to Deaf kids. Teh 'via spoken English ' route is not
>>> >> applicable. So the route to English Literacy will only come via
>>> >> written ASL. There is also research that proves that ASL
>>> >> proficiency (Not only in Deaf of Deaf, but in Deaf of hearing with
>>> >> strong ASL skills)has a very high correlation with English Literacy.
>>> >> That is to say, if the kid has a strong first language, he will be
>>> >> able to get the second language easier. So SW wins again, because
>>> >> while you teach written signing, you can teach ASL at the same time.
>>> >> Here at GSD, we hope to get some of that proof that everyone wants
>>>to
>>> >> see... but you can't get proof till someone does the research , and
>>> >> you can't do the research till you have proof, at least in our
>>> >> case...
>>> >>
>>> >> cherie
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message ----
>>> >> From: "James Shepard-Kegl, Esq." <kegl at MAINE.RR.COM>
>>> >> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 5:50:14 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Deaf Residential Schools in the US...
>>> >>
>>> >> Re: [sw-l] Deaf Residential Schools in the US...
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I respectfully submit that when you propose SW as a bridge to
>>>English
>>> >> literacy in the school system, you are missing the point.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> SW is a valuable tool for giving a Deaf signer metalinguistic skills
>>> >> in his or her native language (i.e., understanding labels like
>>>nouns,
>>> >> verbs, classifiers, role shifting, shared references, and so forth.)
>>> >> Having metalinguistic skills in your own language is critical to
>>> >> learning the grammar and syntax of a foreign (that is, non-native)
>>> >> language.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> But, if you are expecting miracle English literacy achievement
>>> >> through SW, think again. SW helps, to be sure, and a greater
>>> >> proponent than I you will not find, but do not oversell the concept,
>>> >> as proof is scarce.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Where SW is really, really beneficial is: MATH, SCIENCE, HISTORY.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Math, to be of any real value in life, is all about applied math,
>>> >> which we learn through practicing those dreaded verbal problems.
>>>Use
>>> >> SW to teach them, so that the Deaf child knows what you are talking
>>> >> about. Otherwise, the math problem just becomes an English problem,
>>> >> and if you do not read English, you appear to be moronic. Try TWO
>>> >> PLUS TWO in Chinese and see how far you get.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> My daughter's teachers in Portland, Maine High School are
>>>encouraging
>>> >> her to answer her science tests in SW -- because the goal is
>>> >> achievement in the material taught in that particular class, not
>>>rote
>>> >> memorization of English without any real comprehension.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -- James
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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