Cat in the Hat 9

Tue Jul 10 12:49:12 UTC 2007

I was trying to show the position I was aiming for with the flat-O 
handshape instead of the A, but for some reason the picture wouldn't paste 
in correctly.  Hold your lap desk again with flat-Os....the knuckles are 
pointing toward the floor.  I'm probably making things more complicated 
than they need to be...  (I won't say 'again'...)

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Cherie Wren
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Cave Spring, GA 30124
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Cherie, what attachment did you try to send me?  No matter how I tried to 
open it, I always came up with a blank screen.  It was supposedly a GIF 
file, but something about my computer; I just couldn't view it.  If it was 
important, could you please try sending it again in a different format? 
Thanks.  (I'm not responding yet to what you said below in case that 
attachment was supposed to be a copy of the page/pictures in question.)
KJ

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From: CWren at doe.k12.ga.us
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:19:27 -0400

I'm going to have to find a copy of the book to remind me how exactly the 
cat was balancing them. 
There is an umbrella in there too, complicating things.  In the first 
couple pictures the fish is on the umbrella, and the boat is on the index 
finger held out at roughly a 45 degree angle. Then we add the rake, and 
the umbrella is still there.  Fish is on the rake, boat is still on the 
index finger, little man on the bow of the boat.  Since the umbrella is 
never mentioned, even though it is pictured, I left it out.   

The cat isn't pictured while putting the tray on his foot, is he? 
Not putting it down there,no, but it is shown already balancing on his 
toes.   

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From: CWren at doe.k12.ga.us
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:35:32 -0400

Kelly Jo, some of the things I've written are based on the -picture- in 
the book, not necessarily what the words say, or what I think is logical. 
(A cat in a hat with two pet Things flying kites inside a house?  Come 
on...   ::smile::  Hey, I never said Dr. Seuss was logical!  I was just 
trying to write what I saw on the video . . .)  In fact the balancing of 
the fish and boat on the L hand is NOT what I signed in the video, but it 
IS what is pictured in the book, and what I meant to sign.  And I can 
balance things on an L hand-- I just now did it with two post it note 
pads...  ::smile::  

Ah, I understand!  I remember now, that he did have an "L" hand in the 
book (I don't have a copy of it with me to refer to, so I didn't even 
think about that).  Using the "L" hand isn't the problem; my problem was 
the angle of the hand, or more precisely, the angle of the finger.  Now 
that I realize you'd meant to follow the pictures, I'm going to have to 
find a copy of the book to remind me how exactly the cat was balancing 
them.  Not a problem, I just needed to know that.  I'll revise my rewrite 
after I have a chance to look at the book.  Incidentally, he wasn't 
balancing the fish on his thumb, was he?  I had real trouble reading the 
fish balancing. . . there was a Right-hand arrow but I couldn't move my 
right hand into that position, and then it looked like the contact symbol 
was on the thumb . . . I watched that segment several times before I 
decided on how I would write it!

As for the angle of the hands for the tray...  go get a tray and put a 
glass of milk on it...  now bend over like you're going to balance it on 
your foot...  What angle are your hands at?  Its hard to see in the video, 
I have gone frame by frame thru that section multiple times and can't see 
it clearly, but that is the angle I am trying to write, probably 
unsuccessfully.  I think the wrist flex/rotation thing has shaken my 
confidence.  I -thought- I knew what I was doing!  It wouldn't be so hard 
if I used a different handshape, a flat O maybe...  its the A handshape 
that makes it difficult. 

I think it's difficult no matter what . . . but I don't think I'd have my 
HANDS at much of an angle, because I'd want to keep the tray as parallel 
to the floor as possible.  Yes ...  I just tried the experiment with my 
lap desk as the tray (not that I could balance it on my foot anyway; I put 
my foot up on a chair so I wouldn't fall over! ::smile::), and my hands 
were definitely parallel to the floor and with each other; half-and-half 
from the Top View.  (My WRISTS definitely bend because my ARMS are at an 
angle, but I keep my HANDS as parallel to the floor plane as I possibly 
can.)  I'll see if I can get someone to get a picture of what I mean.  It 
probably won't be until later tonight, though.  The cat isn't pictured 
while putting the tray on his foot, is he?
KJ

cherie

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Hi Cherie & all -
I haven't had any time for editing lately, but I thought I'd take a stab 
at writing this one.  I've written my take on the part from "fish" to 
balancing the tray on the foot.  I made a couple of minor changes to some 
of the other signs, too.  For the foot motion, I've written the hip line 
and the raised right leg with the foot on the end without a movement 
symbol; and I changed the movement to two short double-stemmed arrows 
because I didn't see much motion when you put the tray down (plus it's 
easier to place the smaller arrows when there's so much going on).  I also 
changed the orientation of the handshapes holding the tray because it 
looked on the video like your hands were pretty close to straight 
horizontal there.  It's in SignPuddle as "KJ - Cat in the Hat 9"; you can 
see the other changes there in "balancing the fishbowl", "and", and 
"balancing the ship".

On the subject of the "balancing" signs, let me explain why I made the 
handshapes vertical even if your hands weren't exactly in that position. 
It's because they are "balancing" signs, and you can't balance something 
on a diagonal finger.  So, even if you couldn't make your hands vertical 
as you reached across your body (and I thought you came pretty close), I 
felt them to be more vertical than diagonal.

I think that's all I have to say about that . . . my version of "and" is 
just an alternative suggestion.  Either way works . . .
KJ

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Subject: [sw-l] Cat in the Hat 9
From: CWren at doe.k12.ga.us
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:52:48 -0400

A major challenge in this one--  When the cat says he can hold the milk on 
a dish, I pick up my right foot, and through constructed action, place the 
tray with the milk on the foot, while I balance on the other one.  In the 
signwriting, I showed the torso movement, but not the foot movement, cuz I 
don't know how....  Does it need to be there?  There are several spots 
where torso action is important, and I am not sure I'm doing it 
correctly... 

I also had a devil of a time with the handshape/orientation for the tray 
itself.  It doesn't look right any way I tried it.  The palms are facing 
each other, thumbs forward away from the body, knuckles aiming mostly 
toward the ground and forward. 

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Cherie Wren
GSD Staff Interpreter
232 Perry Farm Rd
Cave Spring, GA 30124
706-777-2328
706-766-0766 Cell

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