Back to the list( was Any objection to the OFL?)

Wed Jul 11 15:55:21 UTC 2007

Hello Machado!
Great to hear from you again. Thank you for your generosity ;-)

And I agree with everything Steve says here...Thanks Steve, for  
explaining it better than I could!

When I have the PNGs for the ISWA 1.0 ready, we can discuss this  
further...

Great to have you back on the List ;-)

Val ;-)

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On Jul 11, 2007, at 8:43 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:

> Hi Machado,
>
> Great to hear from you.
> You're right that the Open Font License in not appropriate for  
> software.  The GPL is a good choice.
>
> Licensing and terms can get confusing, but I think we're on track.   
> To rehash...
>
> MovementWriting is for writing any human movement.  The current  
> IMWA does not contain everything needed for MovementWriting.
>
> SignWriting is a subset of MovementWriting and is used for writing  
> sign language.  Val is working on an International SignWriting  
> Alphabet that will be a cleaned up version of the IMWA.  It will  
> remove some of the unneeded MovementWriting symbols, add some  
> needed handshapes, and include consistent white palms for all  
> handshapes.  This will be the ISWA version 1.0 and it will keep the  
> current symbol organization and structure.  Later she will be  
> working on the ISWA 2.0 which will reorganize some of the symbols  
> for a better, more consistent structure. (specifically the contact  
> symbols)
>
> The ISWA 1.0 will be the first font officially released under the  
> OFL.  The OFL allows derivative works to be released under the  
> OFL.  So you'll be able to license the SVG version yourself under  
> the OFL.  The only complication is that you're not allowed to use  
> the original font name without permission, but I know that Val will  
> gladly give permission.
>
> We're all grateful for your work.  I'm excited to use the SVG  
> version in the future.  What an exciting time.
>
> Regards,
> -Steve
>
>
> machado at softwarelivre.org wrote:
>> Hello, there!
>>
>> I'm trully sorry for so long time in silence. I resume my humble  
>> participation in this list by answering an old question from Val 
>> (see Val's message below).
>>
>> Well, when I sent you guys my script for creating SSS2004 SVG symbols
>> I licensed only that script. I used GPL[1] for the script and stated
>> that the symbols license should be checked/obtained from DAC or  
>> Sutton
>> Center. I can't remember the exact term and words. But that  was the
>> idea.
>>
>> Since I'm not the one who created IWMA2004 neither work for
>> them(yet  :) ) I could not license the symbol set.
>> I could have licensed that png files set(as a derivative work of my
>> script). But it didn't seem fair to me.
>> Then I asked Val what would we do and she told me that people like,
>> Gerard, Steve, Bill and others was investigating this issue.
>>
>> It was a long and pleasant conversation about this topic some time
>> ago, through an instant messenger. Thanks again, Val!
>>
>> I believe that Bill or Gerard said in other emails that we should use
>> OFL for SSS/IWMA fonts we create. But not software. :) See my  
>> argument
>> [2]
>> I totally agree with them. Rocha Costa's SW Edit uses GPL, which  
>> seems
>> an appropriate licensed to be used for our softwares.
>>
>> By the way, I have another small script
>>
>> I'm sorry, I haven't read the entire email thread on this topic. I  
>> may
>> be missing something.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> [1] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl.html
>> [2] http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html#Fonts
>>
>> Machado
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>>
>> Quoting Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM>:
>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> June 6, 2007
>>>
>>> Hello Steve!
>>> Thank you for investigating the issues surrounding the OFL, and  
>>> thanks
>>> also to Gerard for suggesting the OFL.
>>>
>>> No objection from me...I personally welcome it and think it is a  
>>> good
>>> idea. Unless someone else using SignWriting objects...
>>>
>>> Steve - I believe you communicated with the OFL people through  
>>> email,
>>> is that correct? And I assume they answered all your questions...
>>>
>>> I do have a question about the SVG symbols that are already  
>>> designed by
>>> Machado in Brazil...
>>>
>>> I believe Machado also used a license on his current SVG for the
>>> SSS-2004, which you can find on this web page:
>>>
>>> IMWA Downloads
>>> http://www.movementwriting.org/symbolbank/IMWA-Downloads.html
>>>
>>> Machado told me he has a license on it, but I cannot find the  
>>> license
>>> he used...can you find the name of it? I believe it is a free  
>>> license
>>> as well...
>>>
>>> Machado said he would help us with creating the ISWA-2007 in SVG...I
>>> assume we will use what is already done, and then add the changes...
>>>
>>> Or maybe it is easier to start from scratch based on the new PNGs, I
>>> don't know...
>>>
>>> Will using the OFL for the ISWA-2007 PNGs, create a problem, if we
>>> choose to use some of the old SVG to create the new ISWA-2007 svg  
>>> later?
>>>
>>> Conflicts between licenses? ;-))
>>>
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Steve Slevinski wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> We've been discussing licensing issues for SignWriting.  I  
>>>> think   the Open Font License is ideal for the SignWriting  
>>>> symbol sets.
>>>>
>>>> You can read the online version:
>>>> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php? 
>>>> site_id=nrsi&item_id=OFL_web
>>>>
>>>> Under the OFL, I do not see any negatives and many positives.   
>>>> This   is not a major change compared to what we are doing right  
>>>> now.
>>>> This licensing is important for widespread adoption in the free  
>>>> and   open source world as well as the proprietary, commercial  
>>>> world.
>>>> You will be free to use the symbol sets for any type of  
>>>> writing.    You will be free to use the symbol set with software  
>>>> and include   the symbol set as part of the software.  You will  
>>>> be free to modify   the symbol set as long as you release the  
>>>> modified symbol set  under  the OFL.  You can redistribute the  
>>>> symbol set almost any way  you  want.  The main restriction is  
>>>> that you can't sell the font by   itself.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have  any concerns?  Please ask questions or read  
>>>> the   license itself.  It's about 1 page long and can be read in  
>>>> about 5   minutes.
>>>> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php? 
>>>> site_id=nrsi&item_id=OFL_web
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> -Steve
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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