# ASL Numbers and Palm Facing ;-)

CWren at DOE.K12.GA.US CWren at DOE.K12.GA.US
Wed May 2 19:39:29 UTC 2007

```This is the way I was taught...  in double digit numbers containing two of
6, 7, 8, and 9, the wrist twists from high to low or low to high.  The
number 67 for example will twist from a 6(fingertips aiming to the right--
low) to the 7(fingertips pointing up--  high) 68 and 69 will twist the
same way.  76 will twist from fingertips up to fingertips side (high to
low-- 7 is high, 6 is low).  78 and 79 will twist from low to high- 8 and
9 being high, 7 being low.  If the high digit is first, the hand twists
from fingertips up to fingertips side.  If the low digit is first, the
twist is from side to up.  Confusing, huh...

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May 2, 2007

On May 2, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
> Valerie, this is great, it really did clarify this discussion in a
> major way.  When fingerspelling turns to signatures, it really
> changes orientation.
>
> It was like your discovery of the "autonomic" change that happens
> with signs like "1989" where without looking at a video a person
> "thinks" that they sign all the numbers upright, when the 8 tends
> to flip over because of rhythm.
>
>
> 1989
> nineteen eighty nine

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Thank you, Charles!

Fingerspelling and signatures are a fascinating topic and I am sure
we will continue to explore it as SignWriting spellings start to
standardize...

You are right that yesterday clarified a lot, for me too.

and thanks for mentioning the numbers...like 1989...I have changed
the name of this thread to ASL Numbers and Palm Facing because you
bring up an important point...

Adam was teaching me, last time he visited me, about the numbers in
ASL...

Way back in the early 1990's there were three native signers who
wrote our ASL dictionary (Butch Zein, Bonita Ewan and Kathy Say) that
was in the SignWriter DOS program all these years...you know the 3000

Anyway...they wrote those numbers correctly so I cannot take credit
for their writing...because they know their language obviously...

But recently I had to create a dictionary for SignBank, and because I
am not fluent in ASL, I started to wonder if maybe the same kind of
twisting in the number 89, might also exist in other numbers like 45,
or 27...

But Adam taught me that those twists in palm facing only occur with
numbers 60s through 90s...

Is that correct, Adam?...feel free to correct me....have I understood
this correctly?

Anyway, I think I may have entered some numbers incorrectly in the
SignPuddle dictionary online and I have been meaning to go over the
numbers with everyone...

Would you all enjoy reviewing the numbers with me as we correct the
online dictionary?

And thank you, Adam, for helping me understand ASL better!

We all make a good team...

Val ;-)

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