# ASL Numbers and Palm Facing ;-)

Valerie Sutton signwriting at MAC.COM
Wed May 2 22:44:17 UTC 2007

```Hi Adam and Cherie!
Thank you both for your help...
It will be best to correct the entries in the ASL Dictionary in
SignPuddle 1.5...

I added all the numbers from one to 100...but in so doing, I tried to
apply that rule without understanding it!

So there are not just mistakes in the 60s through 90s, but also in
the lower numbers...so if you go to Search by Words, and then place
an asterisk in the search field...that lists all the signs in the
dictionary. The listing starts with all the numbers...so maybe you
should go through all the numbers starting with 21...to find any
errors....

Val ;-)

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On May 2, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Adam Frost wrote:

> Thank you for reminding me. :-) I was going to respond to Val's
> earlier email. It is not 60-99 like Val had said, but only non-
> repeating double digits of 6-9. If the first digit is less than the
> second, the rotate is in. But the rotate is out if the digit is
> greater than the second. So like Cheire was saying, 67 68 69 78 79
> and 89 rotate in, and 76 86 87 96 97 98 rotate out. Repeating
> double digits have a different rule, so that is why 66 77 88 and 99
> are not included. I will have to get to a computer to write them,
> or make sure that they are right in SignPuddle (for ease). :-)
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: CWren at doe.k12.ga.us
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 15:39:29
> To:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] ASL Numbers and Palm Facing ;-)
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> This is the way I was taught...  in double digit numbers containing
> two of 6, 7, 8, and 9, the wrist twists from high to low or low to
> high.  The number 67 for example will twist from a 6(fingertips
> aiming to the right-- low) to the 7(fingertips pointing up--  high)
> 68 and 69 will twist the same way.  76 will twist from fingertips
> up to fingertips side (high to low-- 7 is high, 6 is low).  78 and
> 79 will twist from low to high- 8 and 9 being high, 7 being low.
> If the high digit is first, the hand twists from fingertips up to
> fingertips side.  If the low digit is first, the twist is from side
> to up.  Confusing, huh...
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>  May 2, 2007
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>  On May 2, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Charles Butler wrote:
>> Valerie, this is great, it really did clarify this discussion in a
>> major way.  When fingerspelling turns to signatures, it really
>> changes orientation.
>>
>> It was like your discovery of the "autonomic" change that happens
>> with signs like "1989" where without looking at a video a person
>> "thinks" that they sign all the numbers upright, when the 8 tends
>> to flip over because of rhythm.
>>
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>> 1989
>> nineteen eighty nine
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>
>  Thank you, Charles!
>
>  Fingerspelling and signatures are a fascinating topic and I am sure
>  we will continue to explore it as SignWriting spellings start to
>  standardize...
>
>  You are right that yesterday clarified a lot, for me too.
>
>  and thanks for mentioning the numbers...like 1989...I have changed
>  the name of this thread to ASL Numbers and Palm Facing because you
>  bring up an important point...
>
>  Adam was teaching me, last time he visited me, about the numbers in
>  ASL...
>
>  Way back in the early 1990's there were three native signers who
>  wrote our ASL dictionary (Butch Zein, Bonita Ewan and Kathy Say) that
>  was in the SignWriter DOS program all these years...you know the 3000
>
>  Anyway...they wrote those numbers correctly so I cannot take credit
>  for their writing...because they know their language obviously...
>
>  But recently I had to create a dictionary for SignBank, and because I
>  am not fluent in ASL, I started to wonder if maybe the same kind of
>  twisting in the number 89, might also exist in other numbers like 45,
>  or 27...
>
>  But Adam taught me that those twists in palm facing only occur with
>  numbers 60s through 90s...
>
>  Is that correct, Adam?...feel free to correct me....have I understood
>  this correctly?
>
>  Anyway, I think I may have entered some numbers incorrectly in the
>  SignPuddle dictionary online and I have been meaning to go over the
>  numbers with everyone...
>
>  Would you all enjoy reviewing the numbers with me as we correct the
>  online dictionary?
>
>  And thank you, Adam, for helping me understand ASL better!
>
>  We all make a good team...
>
>  Val ;-)
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