DO or DO-DO?

Adam Frost adam at FROSTVILLAGE.COM
Sun May 6 19:03:32 UTC 2007

I have seen all three that you are all talking about: The "D" hand like the
one that Charles wrote, the Baby D, and the bird or 20 that Phillip did.
These all range from very formal to very conversational. (I don't want to be
prejudices, but non-Deafies will not usually see very conversational signs
because Deafies tend to get more formal around them.) It seems to me that
the extremes are ok to write; it is the middle one that is a struggle, and
Kelly Jo needs this for the transcription because that is what Darlene is
doing. I personally think that Kelly Jo did a great job of writing it with
what we had. I understood it when I read it (before I even looked at the
video). The hard thing that I have found is that I know that when using the
finger movement, it is the general guideline to have the last handshape
(unless I remember wrong). The problem lie here that the ending handshape
for both the "D" hand and the Baby D Do-Do is just that; the information
that is recalled about the signs handshape is the beginning shape and not
the ending (the "O" and what I call the "mid-O" hands respectively).

Just a quick thought. (Now I am going to work on the writing that I promised
and continue the feedback of "Sleeping Beauty" because I now have the time.


On 5/5/07, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at> wrote:
> I have to go with the Deafies here, it's a "D" hand with the index closing
> to the thumb.  There may be a difference between California sign and
> Gallaudet sign, but this is certainly the classic "do-do" sign I have seen
> on the East Coast.
> Charles
> [image: do]
> *"K.J. Boal" <kjoanne403 at HOTMAIL.COM>* wrote:
> >From: "Valerie Sutton"
> >Reply-To: sw-l at
> >To: sw-l at
> >Subject: Re: [sw-l] DO or DO-DO?
> >Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 16:21:26 -0700
> >
> >This is one handshape that is useful for the ending position of a sign
> >like DO-DO...
> >
> >it gives a circle base, like the letter D, but it also gives the angle of
> >the finger at the end of the movement
> >
> >Just a would mean that all the other fingers are in a
> circle,
> >not a fist...
> >
> ><< Picture5.png >>
> Actually, I have to disagree there... the ending position is definitely a
> closed index and thumb, but this shape and the constructed shape you
> mentioned in your last message both show the index not touching the thumb
> at
> all. I would have trouble reading that.
> Problem is, in natural signing all the fingers except the index are in a
> relaxed fist, which as far as I know isn't represented in the IMWA. No
> matter how you look at it, it's not possible with this symbol set to
> represent exactly what is happening... we have to look at what a native
> signer thinks is happening, just like in writing a spoken language we have
> to look at what the native speaker thinks a word sounds like and not
> necessarily what is actually said. (I can give examples, if anyone would
> like...)
> Judging by the entries in the SignPuddle dictionary, we're pretty evenly
> split as to whether it looks more like a D-type hand or a fist-type
> hand...
> Thoughts and comments?
> KJ
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