Wiki article on SignWriting

Valerie Sutton signwriting at MAC.COM
Sat May 19 17:23:26 UTC 2007

Hi Cherie!

No...I never saw such an illustration from Dr. Stokoe's work...

I was thinking it would be great if you could show a SignWriting  
symbol for the Flat Hand, instead of describing it as a Pentagon  
shape...The term Pentagon shape was hard for me to understand...This  
is what i was thinking about (see attached)...

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I own the hand illustration in this diagram, which you have my  
permission to use ;-)

Regarding Stokoe's illustrations

We cannot know if you can get the permission to use the specific  
illustrations from Dr. Stokoe's why not use our hand  

I have hand illustrations that I paid for, by hiring an illustrator  
years ago...some of them are on the web and some are not...but they  
are all owned by my non-profit organization, so with your help, we  
could simply replace the ones you are  referring to, with  
illustrations owned by permission problems then...

So when you send it on Monday...I can then send you the equivalent  
handshapes in our illustrations, and then you can post what you feel  
is needed...

I assume you will write the SignWriting next to the illustration? ;-)

Val ;-)


On May 19, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Cherie Wren wrote:

> No, the Stokoe handshapes I am referring to are pictures of the  
> basic handshapes in ASL as described by Stokoe when he set out the  
> linguistic principles of ASL;  not any symbols from his system,  
> they are pictures of hands-- a fist, a B hand, an e hand, a open 8,  
> a claw, a bent v...  all the basic shapes.  Like the Gallaudet font  
> has pictures of the hands making the alphabet handshapes...  I must  
> not have gotten the picture from your website, since you don't  
> recognize what I'm talking about.  ::smile:: I'll send it from work  
> Monday, so you can see what I mean, maybe I am just not describing  
> it well.
> Thanks for permission to use other images.  I didn't want to just  
> assume it was okay.
> cheire
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM>
> To: sw-l at
> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 12:39:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Wiki article on SignWriting
> On May 19, 2007, at 9:23 AM, Cherie Wren wrote:
> > In order to add any images, you have to determine a license and
> > upload them.  For things I have written or created myself, I can
> > upload them with an "I did this myself" license.  For anything
> > else, its gets so complicated I have been afraid to try.  I could
> > create something with the basic handshapes and put it in.  someone
> > on the discussion page asked to see something with pictures of
> > handshapes and their corresponding symbols.  I saw something like
> > that with all the Stokoe handshapes and their SW equivalent
> > somewhere in the SW website, but because I didn't create it, I
> > would need permission from the creator to put it up there;  posting
> > it there then makes it free for anyone to use.  Do you know which
> > picture I'm talking about?  Did you make it, or know who did?  I
> > have it at work, not here, so I can't attach it.  If we could
> > figure out the license, that would be the best picture to use, I
> > think.  In the meantime, I will work on creating something with the
> > basic handshapes.
> >
> > cherie
> >
> Cherie -
> My goodness...of course you have my full permission to use any
> diagrams of SignWriting and Sutton Movement Writing...but please do
> not use diagrams from the Stokoe system or other systems...let's just
> teach the SignWriting symbols as you are doing...SignWriting is our
> system and that is free for anyone to post and use anywhere...
> Obviously I give you FULL and FREE permission to post any SignWriting
> or Movement Writing symbols and diagrams related to, or included in
> Sutton Movement Writing and SignWriting...
> and I never post anything on our SignWriting-related web sites that I
> do not want people to use...everything is there for people to use
> freely and without restriction...
> I realize that Wikipedia has licenses and I agree that I too should
> learn about them, but don't let that make you feel that I am
> restricting anyone! Just the opposite...I feel that NO restrictions
> should apply...
> You have my FULL permission to post these and place them under a FREE
> license of any kind you see fit... (see attached)...or just link to
> them at:
> All the symbols are there on the web in lessons...
> Grab them all from those web pages and post them with my full
> permission!
> Val ;-)
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