Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting

Stuart Thiessen sw at PASSITONSERVICES.ORG
Tue May 22 18:56:28 UTC 2007

I understand. I'm a programmer myself. It's much nicer without those  
pesky exceptions. :-D


On May 22, 2007, at 13:33, Adam Frost wrote:

> You have a point there. I took a few liberties to make programming  
> easier by generalizing a not completely set rule. :-)
> Adam
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Stuart Thiessen" <sw at>
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:13:20
> To:sw-l at
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting
> Hmm. I will have to double check on things. I have been signing 2-0-0-
> x since the year 2000. Of course, once we hit 2010, I am sure I will
> switch to "twenty" "ten". I never saw anyone do "twenty" "00" or
> "twenty" "02". So I will have to investigate that. I wonder if there
> is truly a rule yet, or if that is a dialectical difference. I will
> check around here to confirm what we do here.
> Thanks,
> Stuart
> On May 22, 2007, at 12:42, Adam Frost wrote:
>> Right, that is how digit are done is English, but numbers are
>> completely different in ASL. The best way to explain it is an ASL
>> "digit" goes from 0 to 99, not 0 to 9 as in English. So I am using
>> the computer clock to get the time and getting the two English
>> digits for one ASL digit. Also, I only see deaf/Deafies sign the
>> year as two thousand seven or twenty zero seven, respectively.
>> (Deafies are considered more ASL because they follow the ASL digit
>> rule when rendering numbers). I never see anyone but hearies who
>> will render numbers as single digits from 0-9. I guess it's a ASL/
>> Deaf brain thing. LOL.
>> Adam
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Bill Reese" <wreese01 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
>> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:29:13
>> To:sw-l at
>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting
>> Adam,
>> I don't know of two signs "20" and "07." I'd be tempted to treat it
>> like
>> a decimal sequence, "2," "0," "0," and "7."   I assume that you're
>> tying
>> into the computer's clock and calendar to keep track of the day, date
>> and time.  If so, presenting the decimal places of the years with the
>> first 10 digits (0 - 9) would seem to allow the greatest
>> flexibility in
>> displaying whatever time the user wanted - such as 1983, 2025,
>> 2350, etc.
>> Bill
>> Adam Frost wrote:
>>> Feedback! I love it because it gets me thinging about things I
>>> either never thought about or discarded as unimportant prematurly.
>>> Charles, you mentioned about learning Thursday with an H. You are
>>> right. At first, I was going to do the days of the week with their
>>> ful signs, but Sunday took a lot of room. So, I went with the
>>> first letter of the days of the week. I guess I could have done
>>> "TH" for Thurday, but then something would have to be done with
>>> Sunday and Saturday.
>>> Which brings me to another issue that Val brought up. The Sunday
>>> is colored not because it is today, but because it is the first
>>> day of the week. Kinda like how English calendars have Sunday as  
>>> red.
>>> And since I am talking about Val's comments. :-) I had written the
>>> 16-19 as out-in rotations because that was how it felt to me when
>>> I signed it, but when you asked if it should be out-in or out-out,
>>> I thought about it and you are right. It should be out-out, so
>>> your verson 3 is right.
>>> And of course, Bill, I didn't forget you. I was thinking that the
>>> year should be changed a little because it could get confusing,
>>> but then I discarded that because I thought that thinking it would
>>> be fine. You are right that it could be confused with the archaic
>>> 27 (ASL archaic means that it hasn't been widely used in the last
>>> 50 years. Ha!). Would saying 20 07 like Val said be clearer? I
>>> could easily do some changing around to fix that.
>>> About the background picture, very cute idea. :-) Before I do
>>> that, I would have to make the images used for SignWriting
>>> transparent, so that the background doesn't look bad. Ha!
>>> Again. Thanks for the feed back that you have given me. Now I can
>>> make some improvements. :-) And if there are any other ideas, just
>>> let me know.
>>> Adam
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at>
>>> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:47:19
>>> To:sw-l at
>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting
>>> SignWriting List
>>> May 22, 2007
>>> Adam's calendar and time in ASL brings up a lot of interesting  
>>> issues
>>> about writing the days of the week, as Charles pointed out...related
>>> to Thursday, and then Bill pointed out the writing of the year
>>> 2007...I believe Adam meant 20 and then an 07  
>>> would
>>> make it clear ;-)
>>> I am fascinated by the writing of 16, 17, 18, and 19...The rotation
>>> symbol ...I wonder...maybe you mean out-out? then both arrows would
>>> be going in the same the moment the rotation is even,
>>> with no emphasis on the it is rotating out and then in...I
>>> experimented by placing a third and fourth entry for 16 in the ASL
>>> Dictionary in SignPuddle...or maybe it is just general  
>>> shaking...that
>>> is another idea ;-))
>>> But all those tiny details aside....this is a really fun and
>>> fascinating idea...THANK YOU, Adam!

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