Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting

Tue May 22 22:22:55 UTC 2007

Just as an interesting aside, in BSL it's not unusual to see "MM7".

The "MM" is the Roman numerals for "2000".

I think this sign was influenced by the BBC who always use Roman
numerals to date their programs. We always used to see a long string of
letters at the end of every program, but in the year 2000 this changed
to the startlingly simple "MM", which I think must have caught the
attention of the Deaf as an easy way to sign the year.

Sandy

On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 15:14 -0700, Cherie Wren wrote:
> I ahve seen 20-0-7, and 2-00-7 (the second one that Val sent with the
> 00 lower than the 2 and the 7, I wrote it) around here by our Deaf
> folks.  I was taught that for years it would be 19-97 or 20-10.  2111
> will be twenty one- eleven.  The 200x years are non standard, but they
> only happen once a century...  ::smile::
> 
> cherie
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Stuart Thiessen <sw at passitonservices.org>
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:13:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting
> 
> Hmm. I will have to double check on things. I have been signing
> 2-0-0- 
> x since the year 2000. Of course, once we hit 2010, I am sure I will  
> switch to "twenty" "ten". I never saw anyone do "twenty" "00" or  
> "twenty" "02". So I will have to investigate that. I wonder if there  
> is truly a rule yet, or if that is a dialectical difference. I will  
> check around here to confirm what we do here.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stuart
> On May 22, 2007, at 12:42, Adam Frost wrote:
> 
> > Right, that is how digit are done is English, but numbers are  
> > completely different in ASL. The best way to explain it is an ASL  
> > "digit" goes from 0 to 99, not 0 to 9 as in English. So I am using  
> > the computer clock to get the time and getting the two English  
> > digits for one ASL digit. Also, I only see deaf/Deafies sign the  
> > year as two thousand seven or twenty zero seven, respectively.  
> > (Deafies are considered more ASL because they follow the ASL digit  
> > rule when rendering numbers). I never see anyone but hearies who  
> > will render numbers as single digits from 0-9. I guess it's a ASL/ 
> > Deaf brain thing. LOL.
> > Adam
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Bill Reese" <wreese01 at TAMPABAY.RR.COM>
> > Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:29:13
> > To:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> > Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting
> >
> > Adam,
> > I don't know of two signs "20" and "07." I'd be tempted to treat
> it  
> > like
> > a decimal sequence, "2," "0," "0," and "7."   I assume that you're  
> > tying
> > into the computer's clock and calendar to keep track of the day,
> date
> > and time.  If so, presenting the decimal places of the years with
> the
> > first 10 digits (0 - 9) would seem to allow the greatest  
> > flexibility in
> > displaying whatever time the user wanted - such as 1983, 2025,  
> > 2350, etc.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > Adam Frost wrote:
> >> Feedback! I love it because it gets me thinging about things I  
> >> either never thought about or discarded as unimportant prematurly.
> >> Charles, you mentioned about learning Thursday with an H. You are  
> >> right. At first, I was going to do the days of the week with
> their  
> >> ful signs, but Sunday took a lot of room. So, I went with the  
> >> first letter of the days of the week. I guess I could have done  
> >> "TH" for Thurday, but then something would have to be done with  
> >> Sunday and Saturday.
> >> Which brings me to another issue that Val brought up. The Sunday  
> >> is colored not because it is today, but because it is the first  
> >> day of the week. Kinda like how English calendars have Sunday as
> red.
> >> And since I am talking about Val's comments. :-) I had written
> the  
> >> 16-19 as out-in rotations because that was how it felt to me when  
> >> I signed it, but when you asked if it should be out-in or
> out-out,  
> >> I thought about it and you are right. It should be out-out, so  
> >> your verson 3 is right.
> >> And of course, Bill, I didn't forget you. I was thinking that the  
> >> year should be changed a little because it could get confusing,  
> >> but then I discarded that because I thought that thinking it
> would  
> >> be fine. You are right that it could be confused with the archaic  
> >> 27 (ASL archaic means that it hasn't been widely used in the last  
> >> 50 years. Ha!). Would saying 20 07 like Val said be clearer? I  
> >> could easily do some changing around to fix that.
> >> About the background picture, very cute idea. :-) Before I do  
> >> that, I would have to make the images used for SignWriting  
> >> transparent, so that the background doesn't look bad. Ha!
> >> Again. Thanks for the feed back that you have given me. Now I can  
> >> make some improvements. :-) And if there are any other ideas,
> just  
> >> let me know.
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "Valerie Sutton" <signwriting at mac.com>
> >> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:47:19
> >> To:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> >> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Basic calendar and clock in SignWriting
> >>
> >> SignWriting List
> >> May 22, 2007
> >>
> >> Adam's calendar and time in ASL brings up a lot of interesting
> issues
> >> about writing the days of the week, as Charles pointed
> out...related
> >> to Thursday, and then Bill pointed out the writing of the year
> >> 2007...I believe Adam meant 20 and then 7...smile...maybe an 07
> would
> >> make it clear ;-)
> >>
> >> I am fascinated by the writing of 16, 17, 18, and 19...The rotation
> >> symbol ...I wonder...maybe you mean out-out? then both arrows would
> >> be going in the same direction...at the moment the rotation is
> even,
> >> with no emphasis on the out...so it is rotating out and then in...I
> >> experimented by placing a third and fourth entry for 16 in the ASL
> >> Dictionary in SignPuddle...or maybe it is just general
> shaking...that
> >> is another idea ;-))
> >>
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> >> But all those tiny details aside....this is a really fun and
> >> fascinating idea...THANK YOU, Adam!
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