Wiki article on SignWriting

Tue May 29 20:53:18 UTC 2007

Hi Ingvild and Cherie,
    The tracings will be very useful for introducing SignWriting. Many
of my friends think that signs should be written.  I am encouraging them
to use SignWriting.  But many feel that it is complicated. 
Unfortunately I can't spend enough time with them to teach them even the
basics.  They use drawings as memory aids of how the sign is signed. 
It's doesn't always have a direct link to the movement or hand shape. 
These tracings will help the SignWriting cause.
    Another thing I would like to see is a manual for SignWriting
shorthand.  I think that if they feel they can write easily and identify
with the handshape or movement better they might take on to SignWriting
better.  It all being computerized they feel that they must do
everything picture perfect. I realize that the shorthand manual is out
of date but would it be possible for a copy of the previous writing to
be posted on the web?  For reference to get the idea of how it works and
how it differs from regular SignWriting?  Val?

Jonathan

Ingvild Roald wrote:
> Thanks a lot - such drawing and illustrations are very helpful when
> introducing SignWriting to someone.
>
> Ingvild
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> *sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> <mailto:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu> skrev 25. mai 2007 kl. 13:01 +0000:
> *They are mine, They are tracings of photos of my hand.  When I get
> the whole set, they will be free for anyone to use, I am making them
> for Wikipedia.  I have the all of the alphabet, number handshapes,
> some classifier shapes, there are a few other shapes I still need to
> get.  These are all ASL of course.  I have them saved on a pdf, so I
> can use the photo capture feature and just get the one I need at the
> moment.  I can try to send that to you if you want it.  I couldn't
> send it to the list the other day, don't know why.  Its 4.19 MB in
> size for the alphabet minus doubles like U/H, P/K, and G/Q. 
>
> cherie
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ingvild Roald <ingvild.roald at STATPED.NO
> <mailto:ingvild.roald at STATPED.NO>>
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu <mailto:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Cc: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu
> <mailto:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>; Valerie Sutton
> <signwriting at MAC.COM <mailto:signwriting at MAC.COM>>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:46:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Wiki article on SignWriting
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>   Are these drawings free to use, or are they copyrighted by  someone?
>
> Ingvild
>
> *sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu*
> <mailto:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>* skrev 23. mai 2007 kl. 01:23
> +0000:
> *It really helps if you attach the attachment...  
>
> For some reason (probably file size?) I couldn't get the pdf document
> to attach.  Here is a sample from the larger document...  I'm sending
> it to Val also, in case its too big for the list.
>
> cherie
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Stuart Thiessen <sw at passitonservices.org
> <mailto:sw at passitonservices.org>>
> To: sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu <mailto:sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:54:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Wiki article on SignWriting
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> I think this is an excellent type of resource. I think it will help
> many people jump between the hand and the symbol. 
>
>
> My thoughts (perhaps common sense but worth mentioning maybe):
>
>
> 1) Make sure the palm facing and the handshape symbol are identical. I
> didn't have time this morning to really view all the handshapes to
> check this, but I was impressed by it. :)
>
>
> 2) I think line drawings are better because there is much less
> peripheral information to distract the viewer (jewelry, watches,
> clothes, scratches, fingernails, etc.) I do have a document I wrote up
> on how to use Gimp to do some very basic linedrawing work. It isn't
> perfect like an illustration, but if you give yourself a good
> background, it should work pretty well for this purpose. I could email
> that to you, Cherie, if you want.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Stuart
>
> On May 21, 2007, at 9:41, CWren at doe.k12.ga.us
> <mailto:CWren at doe.k12.ga.us> wrote:
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> I have photos of all the manual alphabet handshapes, and some
> classifiers...  Do you think line drawings would be easier, or photos?
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> CWren at doe.k12.ga.us <mailto:CWren at doe.k12.ga.us> wrote:
> > This is the picture I was thinking of, but its using the stokoe  
> > handshapes from this picture    Which I still have no idea where it  
> > came form.  So although I think they would be great information for  
> > the SW article, I have no way to determine the license for the  
> > picture of Stokoe's handshapes.
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> This is a wonderful chart, Cherie!
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> I have never seen this before that I remember...but I like it!!
>
> I can send you the illustrations that we own the copyrights to, and  
> you could replace the illustrations one by one...If you have time to  
> do that, tell me, and I will start sending them to you...I may not  
> have all of them, but you could always take photos of your own hands  
> too...I have some hand photos as well, of my nephew's hands...
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> Once the illustrations are replaced, then I hope when you post it,  
> that you will give it the most open and free license  
> possible...copyright free....I want everyone to use SignWriting, and  
> diagrams related to it, freely with no restrictions...
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> I feel frustrated when people think a writing system would be  
> restricted from use...nothing can be farther from the truth...
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> We can place this new chart on our SignWriting site as well as  
> Wikipedia...I know it will be useful to people, as it was to you ....
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> Many thanks for all you are doing, Cherie...
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> Val ;-)
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