Signs from dictionary

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
November 22, 2007

Rodrigo -
Go right ahead and add all the signs from any dictionary or any book!  
That will be a blessing.

No human being "owns a language" or "owns a sign". Copyrights refer  
to photocopying the "entire book"...for example, you are not allowed  
to photocopy the entire book and sell it, because the book itself is  
copyrighted, but the actual signs in the dictionary are free and open  
for people to sign with everyday, including writing the signs in  
SignWriting. They can be written thousands of times without hurting  
any book's copyrights...Charles is correct that you just quote your  
"source" and start writing!

Afterall, we write with English words, and English words are in  
dictionaries...we do not have to ask permission to write English  
words from Samuel Johnson who wrote the first English dictionary that  
was popular hundreds of years ago. That would mean no communication  
in writing at all!

Charles is correct. Just quote your source and start writing...Do you  
know how to write the source in SignPuddle?....Click on Write Words  
button. Here is how I believe we could write the sources for  
referring to other published books....see screen capture from the ASL  
dictionary...

and now I really DO have to help my family with Thanksgiving  
dinner! ;-)))

But thank you for writing some Brazilian signs in the Brazilian  
SignPuddle - that will be wonderful!

And we can create a Portuguese User Interface in SignPuddle later, if  
you would like - we will need your help with that...

Once again, talk to you on Monday...

Val ;-)

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On Nov 22, 2007, at 6:49 AM, Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni wrote:

> I think I have made a mistake.
> I have mixed up two different things. The problem is not the  
> citation, but the copyright.
>
> You have said to me that I needed to ask him for permission to use  
> the signs. Is it correct?
> That is my doubt.
>
> Sorry for the mistake.  :-)
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2007 11:22 AM, Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
> Dictionaries are used, academically, to cite sources, to check  
> references, and to follow through on particular dialects.
>
> I cite myself, and my own research, Rocha, Marianne, several  
> others, to ensure that people can say "oh, that's the dialect of  
> Pelotas, or Sao Paulo, we sign it differently here."
>
> Because this is a multi-source dictionary, with multiple dialects  
> represented, it is very helpful to know which source you used.  
> Fernando Capovilla is a good friend of mine, as is Sr. Rocha of the  
> Signet Project in Porto Alegre/Pelota, and Marianne Stumpf of the  
> UFSC.  Any of these have contributed to this project in the past,  
> and each of them have their own knowledge of specific dialects.
>
> Sign Puddle is unique in this regard in that this is not FROZEN  
> language, it is a growing language.
>
> Look at a dictionary, and you will see etymology notes, explaining  
> where a word came from (Latin, Greek, German, other languages) so  
> that one sees how a word has changed in a spoken language over  
> time. We should, I think, be as careful in our citations in this  
> kind of a dictionary.
>
> Charles
>
>
> Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni <rodbagni at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I have a doubt about how to deal with copyright information  
> regarding a sign language dictionary.
> There is in Brazil a big sign language dictionary, from Dr. Capovilla.
>
> What if I wanted to add signs to Sign Puddle and I used the signs  
> of the dictionary. Do I have to cite the source?
> Usually we use a dictionary to give credibility to what we say, not  
> to cite the source from where you got a definition and used in your  
> text or anywhere else.
>
> It is not clear to me.
>
> thank you
> -- 
> Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni
>
>
> -- 
> Rodrigo Ferreira Bagni
>
>
>
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