terms Phonetic and Phonemic

[Steve Slevinski]

Phoneme versus cheremes.  Same idea different word  According to 
wikipedia, phoneme has replaced cheremes in common usage.
 
-Steve

> It is an alphabet, in that it has a one-to-one correspondence to 
> discrete pieces of information.  The cheremes it collects are 
> handshapes, with markings to indicate location, movement, repetition, 
> simultaneity, and facial expression.  Though the gestalt of a single 
> "sign" may feel "phonemic", meaning broken down by "meaning", they are 
> in fact "phonetic" being broken down by the use of physical space, 
> without a grammatical overlay at first.  Movement writing writes what 
> is there, Sign Writing adds the meaning and the context for a given 
> language, and how it differentiates between the 500 possible 
> handshapes and those it chooses for each language's vocabulary set, 
> but the same could be said of the International Phonetical Alphabet 
> which is reduced to the set of characters used by English, by 
> Circassian, and by Xhosa, to name three contrasting languages with 
> some sounds used only in Circassian, or Xhosa which never appear in 
> English.
>  
> Charles Butler
>
>
> */Valerie Sutton <dac at signwriting.org>/* wrote:
>
>     SignWriting List
>     November 30, 2007
>
>     HI Everyone!
>
>     Regarding the general term "phonetic" and "phonemic"...
>
>     I would like to ask all of you on the SignWriting List....
>
>     Do you think of SignWriting as "phonetic" or "phonemic" ?
>
>     I personally like to think of SignWriting as an alphabet that can be
>     written either phonetically or phonemically, depending on the writer
>     and the choices they make while writing...
>
>     Technically we can write every nuance of a movement if we wish, and
>     that would be more "phonetic"... more like "Movement Writing"
>
>     or as time goes by...
>
>     certain SignSpellings start to become standardized and slowly
>     "phonemic" SignWriting happens too...
>
>     No matter what, SignWriting is "alphabetic", but sometimes linguists
>     and scholars want to define the kind of alphabet it is...
>
>     Some say it is a "featural alphabet" and that it may be...but it is
>     still an alphabet nonetheless...
>
>     And I feel it can be either phonetic or phonemic depending on the
>     writer?
>
>     Am I wrong to think this?
>
>     Val ;-)
>
>
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