AW: [sw-l] spelling question

Adam Frost icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM
Sun Apr 20 18:28:39 UTC 2008

Let me see if I understand what you are saying. You are saying that you feel that the arrowheads create the center? I can see that. Thank you for pointing that out because it is really important that we as teachers of SignWriting know what students see to help them understand things correctly. So when talking about the center as regards to arrows, the arrowhead has no weight on the center. I guess that is something we will need to make clear. :-) I hope that help you understand why B is the correct form when following the "center" rule. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Wöhrmann <stefanwoehrmann at>

Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:02:44 
To:"'SignWriting List'" <sw-l at>
Subject: AW: [sw-l] spelling question

Hello Valerie, Adam, Ingvild, sw-list, 


thanks for your comments. Well I can understand this idea about a “center of
a sign”  . If there are no arrows involved – just the pure circles with the
thin and thick part I have no problem to see them arranged in a symmetric
way with the tick part outside.  In combination with the arrows it “feels”
sometimes as if I focus more on these ..(like spelling A)  . but following
your rule as if looking into a room in front of me it makes sense to write
it as in spelling B  though both arrows on the right side seem to push the
hands visually to the right side... 


Anyway it has been helpfull to think about it --- L.I.F.E 


Thanks again


Stefan ;-) 





Von: sw-l-bounces at
[mailto:sw-l-bounces at] Im Auftrag von Valerie Sutton
Gesendet: Samstag, 19. April 2008 19:13
An: SignWriting List
Betreff: Re: [sw-l] spelling question


SignWriting List

April 19, 2008


Hello Stefan, Ingvild and Adam!


Thanks for the question, Stefan. And thanks for the answers, Ingvild and
Adam... All your messages are below...I could not find your new attached
file, Ingvild...but it sounded right!


Adam explained it so perfectly that there is nothing more for me to say!


The hands start the circle where the arrows are placed. The dark side of the
circle is closer to the chest. So if the arrows are placed on the dark side
of the circle, then the hands start the circle closer to the chest.


We write "relating to the center of the body"... or "relating to the center
of the sign"... and Adam is correct that placing the darker side of the
circles on the outside, gives the "feeling" of focusing on the "center of
the sign"...


So the bottom row of your symbols (number 4 and 8 in the attached), Stefan,
fits best with the rules that "each sign has a center"...Val ;-)





On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:33 AM, Adam Frost wrote:

First things first. As I understand it, the arrowhead shows where the hands
start and end, so there is a slight distinction there between how some of
your arrows are set up. Also, each sign has a center. By having the darker
or thicker part of the arrow on the outside and the lighter or thinner part
inside creates that center. So of the combinations, the last row seems to be
the only configuration that works. I might be wrong, but that's how I see it
as of right now. 




On Apr 19, 2008, at 5:04 AM, Ingvild Roald wrote:

I would prefer the one at the lower left. (I have added this as a separate
file.)The right hand is 'taking the lead', and the two circles makes kind of
a depth perspective - but as you say, it is a matter of feling. 





On Apr 19, 2008, at 2:20 AM, Stefan Wöhrmann wrote:


Hi Valerie and sw-list,

preparing some new worksheets for my students I happened to realize that
there are many different options to write the movement we need in Germany
for the signs of sign or bike ...

Do you prefer any of these as kind of “best Gestalt”?  

I know it is a matter of feeling – but perhaps of experience as well ...
just curious ...




All the best  Stefan ;-)


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