Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...

Mon Dec 1 02:57:46 UTC 2008

I am not sure what you are saying that you can see and can't see. Can  
you see the animated GIFs that I made? I am not sure I understand is  
the black backgrounds that you are talking about.

Adam

On Nov 30, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
>     I would like to inform you that I cannot see all black  
> backgrounds Ihand groups and hand symbols).  I can see only animated  
> GIF.
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     André
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valerie Sutton
> To: SignWriting List
> Cc: Adam Frost
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:00 PM
> Subject: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
>
> SignWriting List
> November 30, 2008
>
> Hello Everyone!
>
> Adam Frost has created animated GIFs of the ISWA handshapes in Group  
> 1, Group 2 and Group 3...
>
> Group 3 is around one-third completed...
>
> Go to:
>
> ISWA Animated GIFs Hands
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/category1.html
>
> And click on Groups 1, 2 and 3 to enjoy viewing Adam's animated  
> handshapes with palm facing changes...
>
> And you can move from one handshape to the next, using the  
> navigation arrows on the top of each page...it is fun to watch them  
> in succession....one handshape after the other!
>
> These are very useful...I am planning to add signs that use these  
> handshapes, written in SignWriting, underneath the animated  
> GIFs...some have some signs already...
>
> Val ;-)
>
> -----------
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>
>> After some searching, I found the webpage with the GIF that I  
>> created. It isn't preatty yet because there is still some working  
>> being done, but it is here none the less.
>>
>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group02/01-02-004-01.html
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>>
>>> I love this question, and I will tell you why. It shows that you  
>>> have a handle on these handshapes, and you are thinking in real  
>>> world sense.
>>>
>>> As a Lexiconian in the truest sense (I'd love to make an ASL  
>>> equivalent to the Webster Dictionary, but that would be a life  
>>> work. *wink*), I have made the same observations that you have  
>>> just made. I have also noticed that it is rare for native users to  
>>> realize that they have their hands the way that you have just  
>>> described. This is the reason that the ASL Puddle, which is a  
>>> collaborative dictionary, usually has the first set. The other  
>>> reason is that most people can read the first set easier than the  
>>> latter. ;-) The reason I mention this is if and when I were able  
>>> to create and ASL Webster-like dictionary, then there would be  
>>> something about this in the usage or pronunciation guide.
>>>
>>> I know that I am not teaching your class, so I don't know the  
>>> students. But if I were teaching a class that I felt could handle  
>>> it, I would include both in the lessons and tell them that the  
>>> first set is more of a novice way of signing as well as the visual  
>>> image of how a native internally imagines their signing but are  
>>> actually doing it the second way. The reason is in order to do the  
>>> first set the elbow has to be in an awkward position or the wrist  
>>> has to be painfully bent, whereas the latter set does not.
>>>
>>> So now that I have rambled, I will answer your questions. :-) If  
>>> you want to have those concepts in the ASL Puddle, you are more  
>>> than welcome to add them. In fact, I think it is better to have  
>>> both of them so that people can compare. As for your second  
>>> question, I have been creating GIFs of all of the current  
>>> handshapes. Because of everyone being swamped with so many  
>>> projects, it is coming along very slowly. I have done these  
>>> handshapes that you have mentioned, but I don't know if they have  
>>> been put up on the website yet. I am not sure exactly why you are  
>>> asking because you do understand it just fine. I am also surprised  
>>> that there isn't anything about the latter set of handshapes on  
>>> the website. I just find that odd. So I will check to see if my  
>>> GIFs are on the website or not. If not, maybe I can figure  
>>> something out.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps, and I am glad that Val caught this in Digest  
>>> because I never saw it. As always feel free to ask questions. It  
>>> is the way to learn. ;-)
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: "Natasha Escalada-Westland" <shash90 at hotmail.com>
>>>> Date: November 30, 2008 7:33:52 AM PST
>>>> To: "SignWriting Listserve" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>>>> Subject: [sw-l] Handshape question, "Stand" and "Look"
>>>> Reply-To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings SW colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> I am developing a lesson on teaching classifers and I am debating  
>>>> which handshapes to use in my presentation.  The ASL signpuddle  
>>>> dictionary cites:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <symbol.php>   and   <symbol.php>   as the handshapes for "stand"  
>>>> and "look-at" respectively.
>>>>
>>>> As I look at myself signing these, and as I think of using them  
>>>> as classifiers to describe types or ways of standing or looking- 
>>>> at, I see the following actual handshapes used:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <symbol.php>  and  <symbol.php>
>>>>
>>>> The "Lessons in SignWriting Web Gallery" explanation of Handshape  
>>>> group 2 doesn't include the above handsapes, although I do  
>>>> understand them to mean index and middle fingers bent slightly at  
>>>> the proximal knuckle.
>>>>
>>>> First question...  Do the signs in the ASL SignPuddle need to be  
>>>> updated as written for these concepts?  To keep the fingers  
>>>> straight requires unnatural lifting of the shoulder and elbow.
>>>>
>>>> Second question... is there an updated lesson book or handshape  
>>>> list that includes the second set of handshapes somwhere on the  
>>>> SignWriting website?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.
>>>> www.westlandasl.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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