Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
Adam Frost
icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM
Mon Dec 1 16:19:55 UTC 2008
That is good to know, Andre. Now we know what to do. :-) You will be
able to see them after a little change. :-)
Adam
On Dec 1, 2008, at 3:32 AM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
> Hi Val, Adam and everyone,
>
> Yes, I can see both animated GIFs and hand symbols. But, I
> don't know if I can see a group directory color.
>
> Best regards,
>
> André
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Valerie Sutton
> To: SignWriting List
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
>
> SignWriting List
> November 30, 2008
>
> Thank you, Adam. This is excellent information...thank you for
> researching this.
>
> Andre...I just changed the color background on one page...can you
> see this animation?
>
> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group01/01-01-001-01.html
>
> It now has a blue background...
>
> If that doesn't work, can you tell me what color the background
> should be so you can see it?
>
> Val ;-)
>
> -------
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Adam Frost wrote:
>
>> Actually, Andre has more vision than the Deaf-Blind student I work
>> with. She can't see anything except general light and dark. Nothing
>> in between. But I have other friends who have the similar vision
>> that Andre seems to have, so I know what needs to be done.
>>
>> I agree that the Mac works best, but gotta make due with what we
>> have. :-)
>>
>> Unfortunately after I mimicked the screen that Andre was seeing, I
>> realized that he could only see my hands in the GIFs and not the
>> symbols as well as the symbols in the group directory. This is
>> because Windows makes the background black and text white. It
>> doesn't change the image color. So basically because we have a
>> transparent background in our GIFs and pngs, the background becomes
>> black. Since the symbols' outlines are black, all that can be seen
>> are the white palm facings.
>>
>> I haven't found a solution yet, but I am working on it.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>
>>> SignWriting List
>>> November 30, 2008
>>>
>>> Hello Andre and Adam...
>>> Thanks for your messages...I had hoped Adam, you would know what
>>> to do, since you interpret for Deaf-Blind, maybe you knew about
>>> web sites for your friends who are Deaf-Blind...but actually I
>>> realize that doesn't necessarily follow...
>>>
>>> And for Mac users it is much easier...the Mac can reverse the
>>> entire screen and the reversal is not dependent on any one web
>>> browser or kind of software...it is built into the operating
>>> system...
>>>
>>> But Andre is on Windows and in Windows it depends on the web
>>> browser I believe...
>>>
>>> The only thing I can guess is that the images for the symbols that
>>> i used to create the links to the Animated GIFs...those images in
>>> the group directories for each symbol have a transparent
>>> background...maybe if I make the pngs with a white background,
>>> then when Andre reverses his web browser to see a negative of the
>>> images it will be able to reverse properly...I will try that later
>>> this week Andre...
>>>
>>> Meanwhile I am happy you can see the Animated GIFs
>>> themselves...that is all that really matters!
>>>
>>> Val ;-)
>>>
>>> ----------
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 7:21 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Val,
>>>>
>>>> I tried to look at the front page of signwriting.org. I
>>>> clicked on Lessons. I cannot see black backgrounds (hand groups
>>>> and hand symbols).
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> André
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Valerie Sutton
>>>> To: SignWriting List
>>>> Cc: Adam Frost
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and
>>>> 3...
>>>>
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> November 30, 2008
>>>>
>>>> Andre -
>>>> The animated GIFs are Adam's, and the web pages were my
>>>> design...so this has nothing to do with Steve's software...Are
>>>> you asking us to create a special web page for Deaf-Blind?
>>>>
>>>> Adam - Can you help us with this? I need to write some grants so
>>>> we all have money to work...smile...
>>>>
>>>> I guess we need to do a web site that is reversed like a negative
>>>> versus a positive?
>>>>
>>>> Can you view other web pages of mine, Andre? Like the front page
>>>> of signwriting.org? Can you see that?
>>>>
>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 6:39 PM, Gagnon et Thibeault wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to inform you that I cannot see all black
>>>>> backgrounds Ihand groups and hand symbols). I can see only
>>>>> animated GIF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> André
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Valerie Sutton
>>>>> To: SignWriting List
>>>>> Cc: Adam Frost
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:00 PM
>>>>> Subject: [sw-l] Animated GIFs of ISWA Hands, Group 1, 2 and 3...
>>>>>
>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>> November 30, 2008
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam Frost has created animated GIFs of the ISWA handshapes in
>>>>> Group 1, Group 2 and Group 3...
>>>>>
>>>>> Group 3 is around one-third completed...
>>>>>
>>>>> Go to:
>>>>>
>>>>> ISWA Animated GIFs Hands
>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/category1.html
>>>>>
>>>>> And click on Groups 1, 2 and 3 to enjoy viewing Adam's animated
>>>>> handshapes with palm facing changes...
>>>>>
>>>>> And you can move from one handshape to the next, using the
>>>>> navigation arrows on the top of each page...it is fun to watch
>>>>> them in succession....one handshape after the other!
>>>>>
>>>>> These are very useful...I am planning to add signs that use
>>>>> these handshapes, written in SignWriting, underneath the
>>>>> animated GIFs...some have some signs already...
>>>>>
>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> After some searching, I found the webpage with the GIF that I
>>>>>> created. It isn't preatty yet because there is still some
>>>>>> working being done, but it is here none the less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/iswa/group02/01-02-004-01.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Adam Frost wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love this question, and I will tell you why. It shows that
>>>>>>> you have a handle on these handshapes, and you are thinking in
>>>>>>> real world sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a Lexiconian in the truest sense (I'd love to make an ASL
>>>>>>> equivalent to the Webster Dictionary, but that would be a life
>>>>>>> work. *wink*), I have made the same observations that you have
>>>>>>> just made. I have also noticed that it is rare for native
>>>>>>> users to realize that they have their hands the way that you
>>>>>>> have just described. This is the reason that the ASL Puddle,
>>>>>>> which is a collaborative dictionary, usually has the first
>>>>>>> set. The other reason is that most people can read the first
>>>>>>> set easier than the latter. ;-) The reason I mention this is
>>>>>>> if and when I were able to create and ASL Webster-like
>>>>>>> dictionary, then there would be something about this in the
>>>>>>> usage or pronunciation guide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that I am not teaching your class, so I don't know the
>>>>>>> students. But if I were teaching a class that I felt could
>>>>>>> handle it, I would include both in the lessons and tell them
>>>>>>> that the first set is more of a novice way of signing as well
>>>>>>> as the visual image of how a native internally imagines their
>>>>>>> signing but are actually doing it the second way. The reason
>>>>>>> is in order to do the first set the elbow has to be in an
>>>>>>> awkward position or the wrist has to be painfully bent,
>>>>>>> whereas the latter set does not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So now that I have rambled, I will answer your questions. :-)
>>>>>>> If you want to have those concepts in the ASL Puddle, you are
>>>>>>> more than welcome to add them. In fact, I think it is better
>>>>>>> to have both of them so that people can compare. As for your
>>>>>>> second question, I have been creating GIFs of all of the
>>>>>>> current handshapes. Because of everyone being swamped with so
>>>>>>> many projects, it is coming along very slowly. I have done
>>>>>>> these handshapes that you have mentioned, but I don't know if
>>>>>>> they have been put up on the website yet. I am not sure
>>>>>>> exactly why you are asking because you do understand it just
>>>>>>> fine. I am also surprised that there isn't anything about the
>>>>>>> latter set of handshapes on the website. I just find that odd.
>>>>>>> So I will check to see if my GIFs are on the website or not.
>>>>>>> If not, maybe I can figure something out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope this helps, and I am glad that Val caught this in Digest
>>>>>>> because I never saw it. As always feel free to ask questions.
>>>>>>> It is the way to learn. ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:03 AM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Natasha Escalada-Westland" <shash90 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Date: November 30, 2008 7:33:52 AM PST
>>>>>>>> To: "SignWriting Listserve" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [sw-l] Handshape question, "Stand" and "Look"
>>>>>>>> Reply-To: "SignWriting List" <sw-l at majordomo.valenciacc.edu>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings SW colleagues,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am developing a lesson on teaching classifers and I am
>>>>>>>> debating which handshapes to use in my presentation. The ASL
>>>>>>>> signpuddle dictionary cites:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <symbol.php> and <symbol.php> as the handshapes for
>>>>>>>> "stand" and "look-at" respectively.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I look at myself signing these, and as I think of using
>>>>>>>> them as classifiers to describe types or ways of standing or
>>>>>>>> looking-at, I see the following actual handshapes used:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <symbol.php> and <symbol.php>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The "Lessons in SignWriting Web Gallery" explanation of
>>>>>>>> Handshape group 2 doesn't include the above handsapes,
>>>>>>>> although I do understand them to mean index and middle
>>>>>>>> fingers bent slightly at the proximal knuckle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First question... Do the signs in the ASL SignPuddle need to
>>>>>>>> be updated as written for these concepts? To keep the
>>>>>>>> fingers straight requires unnatural lifting of the shoulder
>>>>>>>> and elbow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Second question... is there an updated lesson book or
>>>>>>>> handshape list that includes the second set of handshapes
>>>>>>>> somwhere on the SignWriting website?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Natasha Escalada-Westland, M.Ed. (D/HH), Macromedia Cert.
>>>>>>>> www.westlandasl.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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